Conservatives vow to make gay marriage 2012 issue

Conservatives vow to make gay marriage 2012 issue

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NEW YORK - Angered conservatives are vowing to make same-sex marriage a front-burner election issue, nationally and in the states, following the Obama administration's announcement that it will no longer defend the federal law denying recognition to gay married couples.

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Fantastic. Glad to see that Tea Party religious purists and conservative Republicans who promised to focus on improving our economy have decided that high unemployment, a still terrible housing market, and massive and increasing poverty apparently all pale in comparison to the importance of two dudes getting married.

It's interesting to see how these "economy" focused Teabaggers and Republicans are using their newly found bully pulpit to push their agenda on abortion and queers getting married--which doesn't effect the economy what-so-ever.

It's great to see that Republicans only favor more "freedom" and "less government" unless it comes down to me deciding to marry my partner; apparently we need all kinds of government intervention to stop that.

The only type of freedom that the right wing in America wants is the type of freedom that applies to their own views and narrow-minded social norms. Yet another sign that America "The Land of the Free" is spiraling on a descent into Christian theocracy.

Remember the whole "separation of church and state" that our founders set out? Oh, and before you start on some argument that the founders didn't really mean that, let me make it clear to you:

"Article 11 of the Treaty with Tripoli declared in part that "the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion..." (Treaties and Other International Acts of the United States, ed. Hunter Miller, Vol. 2, U. S. Government Printing Office, 1931, p. 365)."

Gotta love the right wing--they worship the Founding Fathers of our country--while ignoring the fact that they wanted our government to have NOTHING to do with the evils of bigoted religious doctrine.

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Idiots. Talk about f'd up priorities and stupid social issues that deflect, divert, and divide us over things that just "bother" some people and are already guaranteed by the Constitution anyway. I just don't get the "we swear by the Constitution when it agrees with us and want to change it when it doesn't" school of thought.

And what about this statement about the very same subject?

"While Americans want Washington to focus on creating jobs and cutting spending, the president will have to explain why he thinks now is the appropriate time to stir up a controversial issue that sharply divides the nation," said Brendan Buck, a spokesman for Boehner.

Convenient to say when they're trying to pretend they're "better" than the president but not convenient to do?

I am sick to DEATH of these people. Focus on the real priorities, just like Boehner said, but add cutting foreign aid and money for foreign wars to that list please.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Idiots. Talk about f'd up priorities and stupid social issues that deflect, divert, and divide us over things that just "bother" some people and are already guaranteed by the Constitution anyway. I just don't get the "we swear by the Constitution when it agrees with us and want to change it when it doesn't" school of thought.

And what about this statement about the very same subject?

"While Americans want Washington to focus on creating jobs and cutting spending, the president will have to explain why he thinks now is the appropriate time to stir up a controversial issue that sharply divides the nation," said Brendan Buck, a spokesman for Boehner.

Convenient to say when they're trying to pretend they're "better" than the president but not convenient to do?

I am sick to DEATH of these people. Focus on the real priorities, just like Boehner said, but add cutting foreign aid and money for foreign wars to that list please.

The irony of trying to say that President Obama is "stirring up controversy" and not focusing on the economy is rather ironic, since in his move to no longer defend DOMA in courts will save money in paying lawyers, legal aides, and the millions of other dollars that goes to defending lawsuits. It also frees up federal judges to work on more important matters and lawsuits that actually matter. So, in every way, Obama has done the right thing here: he's making the statement that DOMA doesn't matter and every man hour and dollar we spend on it is a waste of time and money.

Aren't we supposed to be "cutting the fat" from the budget according to the right wing? Oh, I guess we should only stop spending money when it is convenient to religious purists and conservatives.

If right-wingers want to live in a country where gay people are actively discriminated against, perhaps Iran would be a better fit.

I concur, that was my immediate though as well. its nice too see, memebers in congress think 2 people in love is worse than oh lets say fixing the current system>? mindless imbesils their making themselves look if you ask me..they must be freeely doing and thinking this, casue they know they can get away with it, and we'll do nothing about it....yet ; ) he he
so thier inlove! leave em alone* if this culture here in the states truely values human life, as it said it did, or claims it still does today, then this shouldnt be an issue..its worse than nitpciking actually

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Why dont conservatives just make up their own brand new God sanctioned additional ceremony over and above legal marriage and deny that ceremony to anyone they dont like?

Who can stop them from doing that? They can call it "For the love of Christ" or some such, and it can just be for the people they like, and approve of, and they can just say "Nyah nyah nyah" to all the gay people. And whomever else they hate, like atheists and what not.

Because I hate to tell you this, the middle easterners did not make up marriage. They, and the religions that they spawned, do not have title to the institution of marriage. Even pagans married. Long before Jesus was thought of. Long before he was a twinkle in Joseph............err......Gods eye.

Conservatives vow to lose in 2012.

Originally posted by TheOneElectric
Conservatives vow to lose in 2012.

Exactly my thoughts. The last time the Republicans went on a social-issues rampage like they apparently are going to try to do in 2012 was 2004 and to an extent 2006, where they were demolished by the Democratic Party and lost the House and Senate.

You are part of the problem.
You are left-wing, and the left-wing could not exist without the right-wing.
Because, you see, you choose to take a side that is laid out for you to take.
You are not given much of a choice, but you don't recognize that, do you? What the hell difference does it make to you?
If I were gay, I could care less what the government condones, or says I can and cannot do. Why do you care? This is just another divisive issue that will not go away because WE give it credence.
We could say something like this. "Look at those stupid politicians, trying the same old divide and conquer tactics"...except that they are NOT so stupid because people take their bait.
And the venom in your post. I could understand if you were angry at the entire system that perpetuates this fraud upon us all, I sure am. But you take the side of one out of two enemies that are working against YOU.

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Thank you Stewie, you've pointed out some good things. I was surprised at the hatred and anger displayed here, and I'm not sure I understand why. I hope it's not fear that the Republicans have been given an issue that will help them.

It is traditional for the Justice department to support the bills that Congress passes. It's decision not to do so in this one particular case will draw a lot of attention. I have also read that "Gay Marriages" (for lack of a better term) have never been approved in any state which presented the question to the voters. Maybe that's why the Republicans think they have a winning issue.

Originally posted by Stewie
You are part of the problem.
You are left-wing, and the left-wing could not exist without the right-wing.
Because, you see, you choose to take a side that is laid out for you to take.
You are not given much of a choice, but you don't recognize that, do you? What the hell difference does it make to you?
If I were gay, I could care less what the government condones, or says I can and cannot do. Why do you care? This is just another divisive issue that will not go away because WE give it credence.
We could say something like this. "Look at those stupid politicians, trying the same old divide and conquer tactics"...except that they are NOT so stupid because people take their bait.
And the venom in your post. I could understand if you were angry at the entire system that perpetuates this fraud upon us all, I sure am. But you take the side of one out of two enemies that are working against YOU.

I care because under the idea of "marriage" in the government, it means that I can get certain tax advantages, adopt my partner's children, not have to worry about my partner being financially taken care of after my death, enroll my partner in my health insurance benefits, not to mention a laundry list of other things that only married couples can do. To suggest that not having the same rights as an opposite-sex couple is not a "big deal "is ridiculous because of the thousands of advantages that legally recognized marriages provide in the eyes of the law.

Sometimes it seems like politicians just don't have it in them to put on their thinking-caps and work on solving issues. Why go into politics if you don't give a damn about running a country effectively? No instead it's about increasing your own personal wealth and pushing your own personal beliefs. Such a waste of your guys' money. I wonder how much it costs per debate to rehash this baloney. Gays aren't going to suddenly decide "you know what, I don't think I deserve to get married" nor are the overly religious going to say "meh let's just let this go" .

If there is no possible resolution available, why the hell are they making it an issue, unless they're just trying to demonstrate time wasting skill.

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Actually I agree. Those that have read my posts know I lean right probably more often than I lean left. But, this is just beyond silly.

The mid-east is in flames, the economy is the crapper, a host of countries are primed to eat us for breakfast, our corporations are helping those countries I just mentioned do it by shipping all our jobs there, food prices are near the breaking point, we are in debt up to our collective eyebrows, and we are patting down 9year olds in the name of "freedom" and two guys getting married is the most important issue?!?!?!?

Look - I may lean right on many things, but this is just stupid. Its actually beyond stupid. Tell me how you are going to fix some of the things I listed if you want my vote.

Zero difference between fundamentalist bible thumpers and muslims who both want to gas gays and kill everyone not like them . In 2012 i'd imagine that the other 90% of us will shove these born again lunatics back in the closet until they come out of the dark ages and i'm not an Obama fan . Fiscally conservative and socially libertarian and i don't care one bit about gay marriage any more than i care about multiple wives or husbands . Freedom of choice means everyone and not mob rule by the 51% who wins an election trying to impose their rules and values on the other 49% . Of all people you'd think that these idiots who'd die for the Constitution would have actually read it but they gave us the Patriot Act so obviously they didn't . It was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve so lets light Steve on fire . Amen and Allah Akbar . I'm going to vote them off my island .

I am going to say, as a "conservative,"

Who cares what people do. Comstituionally, the 9th Amendment protects this right, as the act of gay marriage is not impeding on anyone's freedoms.

Damn GOP are a bunch of retards.

I would not be so quick to lump real Tea Partiers with them though. Many Tea Party people are Constitunionalists or Libertarians.

It is the Glenn Beck Tea Partiers that will have a field day with this. The coopted fake Tea Party.


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ZCFlint05 and JewelFlip (and anyone else for that matter),

What is your position on "Civil Unions" designed to provide all the same advantages as marriages? Is that a potential solution? If not, why not?

The scary thing is that since the take over of America, a majority vote will invariably toss your personal freedoms out the window. Mob rule is easy when so much of the public is too freaking stupid to understand what our Republic really all about. Oh yeah, evangelicals our wrecking this country with their ignorance.

Originally posted by charles1952
ZCFlint05 and JewelFlip (and anyone else for that matter),

What is your position on "Civil Unions" designed to provide all the same advantages as marriages? Is that a potential solution? If not, why not?

It is a solution. In fact, I think the way the government should go is to declare ALL marriage as civil unions, as in same sex and opposite sex marriage. Leave the word "marriage" to the church and give all marriage relationships recognition as "civil unions" with the same benefits for every "Civil union". It doesn't force the church to accept gay marriage as it leaves "marriage" as a strictly symbolic word for religions and provides for equal rights for all couples regardless of sexuality.

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Nicely dome!

Will star when I can.


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Typically Tea Party (that is, not the Tea Party Express) are supportive of gay marriage.
If the Neocons make this a "main" issue, they will loose more middle ground voters, and more pissed off Tea Party voters who were responsible for getting a Dem to take their place 4 years ago during the True Conservative movement.

In short True Conservatives don't want to dick around with such non-issues.. it's a Neocon ploy to get the Social-Conservative-Socialist (also known as Fascist) back in power.