reply to post by Gazrok
Than how should we assess the facts?
In pre-1948 palestine, the sheer PRESENCE of Jews in the muslim dominated world (despite the fact of its historical connections with only Judaism, and
only later appropriated by Islam) was enough to incite massacres.
I listed the individual cases of massacres above. These were simple Jewish communities, and yet their being dhimmis and demanding equal status - which
the Quran and Islamic law has since its beginnings regarded as strictly prohibited, and an affront to Allah has motivated radical islamic groups to
commit horrific acts of terror.
What people fail to understand is that there is no moderate Islam. Radical Islam is used and takes advantage of western liberalism and relativism to
accomplish what it needs to accomplish.
For anyone to tell me that Palestine just wants to be recognized as a nation, when the PLO charter (15th point) calls for the destruction of Israel -
of a state with a Jewish identity, and also threatens to kick out or murder all Jews from European countries, im left completely speechless. As if the
past doesnt denounce all these ridiculous claims. The Arabs had their chance to a state in '48, but couldnt achieve it because Palestine, as all
educated people know, wasnt a distinct people, like the Kurds, or Jews are, but an administrative zone. A name ressurrected from the Roman past which
has more application and relevance to JEWS than to arabs. The name itself is from 'philistine". The early PLO strategists understood they had to
create a 'myth' for the palestinian arabs, of a "palestinian" people, with a spiritual, material and historical connection to the land of
Palestine. All of this is patently false but nonethless necessary to create that 'national spirit' which was so lacking in 1948. Thus the propaganda
wars waged by the Arabs and abetted by the UN in attacking the historical and factual existence of a Jewish connection to Palestine, as opposed to the
lie of an Arab connection.
Anyone who has read up on the history of the holy land knows and understands that. Historically, more greeks, Turks, Balkans, Circassians, Persians,
Germans have lived in the Holy land than Arabs.
So, how can Israel trust the Arabs, when they have a track record of exploiting peace treaties and other 'agreements' to advance their agenda, and
affect the end they desire; the destruction of Israel and all world Jewry. Should we just ignore and forget the many massacres that occurred in
palestine before the state came into existence? Should we ignore the fact that Jews were oppressed cruelly in muslim lands? And i dont want to hear
lies of the great Jewishv renessaince under Islamic rule. Maimonides left Fez in Morocco because his life was threatened for daring to tell the Jews
of morocco to lie about being muslims if it will mean not being killed or forcibly converted (or like what was done in some Islamic governments.
Jewish Children born to a mother without a father were taken by the state and given to a muslim family). Judah He Levi, the great spanish poet was
assassinated by a muslim on his way to the Holy land (actually, just when he entered was he killed).
please, for the love of justice and sanity, a two state solution cannot be good for Israel, and "islam" or the arabs, will not recognize its right
to exist. It is not accountable to western interests (which in any case are pro arab, and anti-Jewish).