Originally posted by subject x
This is just a question I think about from time to time. I know most folks here are against the welfare state in general. In it's current form, I
don't like it either.
But is it inevitable?
Years back, I read a little sci-fi book called Commune 2000 AD by
Mack Reynolds. Nothing outstanding, but an entertaining read.
In it, a very large percentage of the populace were on welfare, totally supported by the Government. This was necessary, however, due to a combination
of increased population and a reduced job pool. The job pool had been drastically reduced from the effects of outsourcing and automation, and there
literally weren't enough jobs in the country to employ even half the population. It was a matter of support the unemployed or millions starve.
It's just a story, I know, but in the decades since I read it, I've seen the population growing, and more jobs being automated or outsourced. The more
technology advances, the faster it continues to advance. Things are getting more automated and pre-fabricated with the result of
needing less people to accomplish the same work, and
that's only going to increase with more tech advances.
We're all aware of how many jobs have left the country in recent years. This just further reduces the available jobs. When added to the jobs lost to
automation, and compared to the population, I see things moving towards the scenario in the book.
So do you think that we could end up in a similar situation? Do you think if things continue unchanged we will end up in the mandatory welfare state?
That's pretty much where I see things going unless some big changes are made.
I see me in a virtual reality habitat, trekking the Amazon from the comfort of some hydro immersion pod. I am in the Matrix. I am not sure I am any
more comfortable with that scenario but I feel myself being carried there. Addicted to technology and imagining even more thrilling experiences I can
have from a couch.
I think I am trying to see our glass half full but you bring up some valid causes for concern.
Overpopulation is definitely, ultimately a killer and our most dangerous condition right now
Forcing me to scratch my head in wonder..what is with these nut job Christian Conservatives et.al. hating on gays, interfering in a womans right to
choose, even discouraging birth control?
The very same elements senselessly encouraging unfit, destitute and impoverished women and even young children to carry every early conception to term
will turn their backs when the mother needs welfare.
Sorry. No help for you.
What do you think this is? A welfare state?
People would not need welfare or help if an honest and hard days work was enough to feed them.
It isn't. However if food is bought in bulk, wholesale it might be. Some attempt to do this for them would be humane and what are we if not that?
What is inevitable is with an exponential population growth we will amplify the already rampant threats to trees, bees, fresh water, energy, basic
infastructure and wetlands. Jepordizing our survival as a species here on Earth. Rather than wring our hands we might get to work. Fixing some of
these things can provide jobs.
The rest will require news ideas and innovation which we have no shortage of.
We HAVE "too many chefs in the kitchen" as we say and everyone is rowing the boat a different direction to steal another phrase. I am confident once
we decide what direction we are going we will go there.
Ever hear the adage..give a man a fish and he will eat today...teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime?
In many ways we are moving toward a path where the independant fisherman will be obsolete.
All the fish will be harvested by corporations. This will provide "jobs" within the giants and this will somehowmake it right. Suddenly we are all at
the mercy of corporations known for destroying innovation that decreases their profit margin, abusing employees endangering the public. Capitalism
needs oversight, cohesion and some minimum regulatory protections in place.
We talk about job losses to China -Donald Trump is all offended by being nice to China. We owe China money. We have been buying products made in China
for years. WE LOVE, Patronize and support WALMART. Huckabee protects, defends, supports Walmart.
WALMART buys 85% of their products FROM CHINA.
You keep hearing strict US regulations forced our poor corporations to send those American jobs overseas.
Yeah right...Could it be the dollar an hour labor?
Has the consumer seen the profit on corporations making this savings by taking it overseas? Where do you suppose it went? Investors made a little but
CEO's and the rich got filthy rich...literally.
If these manufacturing jobs were brought home, and the companies forced not to treat their US employees as dispensible commodoties, but as human
beings with health issues, families to feed and mortages to pay then they might deserve our American consumer dollars.
Otherwise I don't see how we can participate in our own demise by shopping at places like Walmart.
For a few extra pennies we are selling out our own countries wealth and prosperity...to China.
edit on 26-1-2011 by rusethorcain because: (no reason given)