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The Progressive Mind and the False Right- Left Paradigm.

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posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 05:36 PM
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People are starting to get a first hand look at what life under a Progressive / Socialist Agenda is like and I’m wondering how much more it will take for them to wake up. Everything the government does is geared towards keeping us at each others throats and our minds off what they are doing. The whole idea of two Parties is an obvious ruse, again to divide us. The leaders are all the same people.

It's easy to understand, those inside the Progressives in both Parties thought processes are ruled by two things:
- The People are not capable of making their own decisions and need to be controlled for their own good.
- Progressives are superior intellectually and therefore we must become the ruling class in a two class system.

When people begin to understand that these are the facts, they can begin to defend themselves.

This pattern has repeated over and over again throughout history with the same end results of a two class system, with one living in opulence and luxury, and the other living in servitude. One way they pull this off is by using the same methods used by Stalin and others. Turn part of the lower working class against the others in the working class to keep the fight between them and away from the privileged / ruling class.

This is easily accomplished through schools, unions and political parties, where that portion of the working class receives special privileges for willingly pushing the ruling class agenda. That group is conditioned to hate the others who are not a part of their union or their political ideology, which allows the ruling class to hide behind them. Give a man in a factory an extra dollar an hour for the same job and they will willingly become part of the agenda. Yes people are that cheap to buy and yes the whole thing is that simple. Everything else is part of a smokescreen to confuse the perceived stupid, illiterate citizens they believe.

The fact it is becoming so in your face these days and little effort is being made by the Progressives among us to hide their disdain for us, tells me we are close to the time where people will have to decide, do we live free or do we cave in to a Nanny State with every aspect of our lives being controlled by the ruling elite.

Sadly, those doing the most to destroy our freedoms are ordinary citizens, completely fooled by their elite watchdogs and leaders. They actually think more government, more control and less freedoms is the right thing to do. Oddly enough the backers of this always include the poorest and most underprivileged among us as they become the easiest people to buy.

It took me a long time to come to grips with how this plays out in their minds, but I think I'm beginning to understand how the thought process works. What threw me is the idea any intelligent person would not look to history for answers and understand that history repeats itself. How could they not realize that if you do A + B it always equals C? Progressive leaders seem intelligent enough and some seem quite genuine in their good intentions, but if they are why this mental block and the illogical conclusions?

I've come to the conclusion that what causes this among the Progressives on both the imaginary Right and the imaginary Left they have created is simple enough; I should have seen it long ago. It goes like this in their heads.
- I am of superior intellect to the masses.
- The only chance the masses have is if we who are superior make their decisions for them and rule them.
- The fact that Progressive / Socialism has always failed and hurt the people in the past is those leading before where also inferior to me, therefore they did it wrong, but we / I will do it right. History does not matter.
- Since I am superior to others, I deserve to live better than they do and be treated differently for what I do for them.
- Since I am superior I should live under a different set of rules as the People are too stupid to be trusted with freedoms.
- Since I am superior it is OK if I lie to and manipulate those inferior to me as it is for their own good.

The next step in this accelerated agenda will be the decision we can not be trusted to raise our own children or teach them. This step is always repeated by those of this mindset. Through the Unions (and buying the Union Members with special treatment and privileges) they have already taken over the schools as they move towards a more complete takeover of education to brainwash our children. That should be obvious to people. They have also taken over the Police, Fire Fighters and most critical services using Unions. Unions don't represent the workers, they represent the politicians they support and fund.

We are at a time, right now where it can be turned around yet again. The scales can be tipped the other direction as enough of our freedoms are still partially intact for us to use them. They are still relying on public opinion to keep them in power over us.

We have one truth in our favor now due to the amount of information available to us. People are seeing for themselves that the Unions and the Government in concert have finally so overburdened the system and businesses that both are teetering on the brink.

Local governments are facing huge numbers of highly overpaid Union Workers retiring and have no money to pay their Pensions and Benefits. The entire Auto Industry failed with the only exception being Ford which wisely avoided the mistake of allowing the Unions to bankrupt them with insane contracts. We, those who do not belong to Unions are still picking up the tab however as Washington continues to shower the Unions and companies like GM with any money they need.

It even extends to the new Healthcare Bill. Over 200 Unions and Companies in league with the current Administration have been quietly granted waivers and they will be getting their Healthcare at a reduced cost, covered by the rest of us. It can’t even be argued as they made no real attempt to hide it. Not at all surprising since SEIU wrote the Bill and of course they would make sure they have an out.

Question is, will people wake up before we end up a copy of the former Soviet Union and it takes generations to win our freedom back? Or, will they sell out for some candy from the government and a little extra pay from their Unions to buy their loyalty to those who would be our Dictator’s? It’s all up to us really.

We have the power to change it. The citizens of any country always do have that power. I DO NOT mean through violent means as that is the method they want to see used and it helps them to take over completely. I mean through peaceful means. A united people can not be ruled over, period end of subject.

Keep up with this divisiveness and marching to their drummer willingly and pay the price. The Right-Left paradigm is a fictional construct used to control you. Those who hate just because they belong to a different Party, a different Religion or a different Culture are the problem. They are a slave to their masters who even tell them how to think and control them so completely they let them think for them. It makes them little more than a puppet on the end of a string.




posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 05:45 PM
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This is an excellent topic. STAR and FLAG!

I am VERY interested in seeing the responses from the progressives that take the time to read and answer.

A few other threads that have touched on this topic have revealed self-described "progressives" believing the diametric/polar opposite of the truth.

Let the discussion begin!




posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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"Keep up with this divisiveness and marching to their drummer willingly and pay the price. The Right-Left paradigm is a fictional construct used to control you. Those who hate just because they belong to a different Party, a different Religion or a different Culture are the problem. They are a slave to their masters who even tell them how to think and control them so completely they let them think for them. It makes them little more than a puppet on the end of a string."


This is painfully obvious in recent days. Tuscon has been used to turn liberals against republicans, and spawned reactionary anger. It is so obvious if you have eyes to see that the people are being turned against each other. How to you convince someone who has invested a part of themselves in a lie? They will defend the lie like it is their own life. It does not matter how much evidence you present to someone who is hypnotized with a right /left conflict.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 06:12 PM
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My purpose is not to expose, but to wake people up to how they are being manipulated. The argument, or should I say fight between the Progressive in Both Parties and the rest of us is part of the whole problem and plan.

The solution is to realize that it's not us against them, it's us working together that is the solution.

What we are fighting here is Narcissism in it's purest form. A Narcissist actually believes they are doing us a favor by controlling us and making our decisions for us. They see their leading us as a sacrifice on their part for our own good.

What I want is an honest conversation between those who have been bought or are controlled by these Narcissists and those who have not yet been purchased. Those supporting their agenda think they are doing the right thing. They are not bad people to be scorned any more than anyone else is. A person who has been tricked into a belief should not be held liable for that belief. Those doing the tricking, the brainwashing if you will are to blame. They exist on all sides and always have. There simply is no difference between a Progressive on the Right and one on the Left.

Waking people up can be as simple as getting them to the local Library and them having enough desire to review history from unbiased sources, without having it spun into a political argument by a controlled teacher or a controlled political leader.

Of all the things that brought down the Soviet Empire, educating it's people was the main mistake the Soviet Leaders made or allowed. To compete against Free People, they had to educate their people, sealing their fate. We however are heading the opposite direction.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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Great post!! I've been preaching this for years. But the delusion is very strong, and these people are masters at using modern dialectics, consensus reality, and groupthink. Not to mention the use of the MSM to brainwash the masses and create their reality daily. Now if we could also get folks to see that the MSM and most of the alternative media are two branches of the same tree, then the divide and conquer tactics they use start to really stick out like a sore thumb. S&F&



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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That is exactly why I posted this now. It seems to me that it has been so obvious what is happening since that shooting that perhaps it is a good time to have this discussion. Right now these Narcissists who would dictate to us and control us have been caught with their pants down and their own form of megalomania dangling out there for the world to see.
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posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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It seems to me that any attempt to hide this has been abandoned as they see their success in taking over is closer by the day. We see, or should see the obvious examples in our own lives.

First it was some Witch Doctor or Medicine Man saying we have got to hate the people who live on the other side of the hill, or it will bring bad Mojo and we will all starve. let's kill them, take their stuff and take over their huts.

It evolved into:
Those people look different than we do, so we have to kill them or control them before they kill or control us.

Those people believe in a different God than we do so we must kill or control them.

Those people belong to a different Party so we must hate them and control them.

Those people smoke and we don't so we must hate them and control them.

Those people are fat so we must hate and control them.

Those people own guns and like to hunt or target shoot, we must hate and control them.

Those people eat meat so we must control and hate them.

Those people are handicapped or disabled, we must control them.

What is next? Those people have freckles so we must hate and control them too?



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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I have never, in my dealings with others or consideration for myself, used the terms "left or right" to describe political leanings and what have you. From the get go it struck me as a foolish attempt at labelling and boxing those you fail to (and fail to try to) understand. It is just another Machivellian construct. One of the most basic.

"People always deal in left and right. They've forgotten about up and down"--Robert Anton Wilson



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
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It seems to me that any attempt to hide this has been abandoned as they see their success in taking over is closer by the day. We see, or should see the obvious examples in our own lives.

First it was some Witch Doctor or Medicine Man saying we have got to hate the people who live on the other side of the hill, or it will bring bad Mojo and we will all starve. let's kill them, take their stuff and take over their huts.

It evolved into:
Those people look different than we do, so we have to kill them or control them before they kill or control us.

Those people believe in a different God than we do so we must kill or control them.

Those people belong to a different Party so we must hate them and control them.

Those people smoke and we don't so we must hate them and control them.

Those people are fat so we must hate and control them.

Those people own guns and like to hunt or target shoot, we must hate and control them.

Those people eat meat so we must control and hate them.

Those people are handicapped or disabled, we must control them.

What is next? Those people have freckles so we must hate and control them too?


It seems to me that there is a "logical" progression of the amount of control these types of disordered people desire. It starts (i guess) in a benign way and devolves to the point that they start killing people who don't "fit the suit" so to speak. The nazis were certainly like this.


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posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
People are starting to get a first hand look at what life under a Progressive / Socialist Agenda is like and I’m wondering how much more it will take for them to wake up. Everything the government does is geared towards keeping us at each others throats and our minds off what they are doing. The whole idea of two Parties is an obvious ruse, again to divide us. The leaders are all the same people.


No, I think that is the Corporate media, your thread is very divisive from the get go




It's easy to understand, those inside the Progressives in both Parties thought processes are ruled by two things:
- The People are not capable of making their own decisions and need to be controlled for their own good.
- Progressives are superior intellectually and therefore we must become the ruling class in a two class system.


Conservatives have had the politicians they have voted for as president, for 10 out of the last 30 years.

That is 2/3s - 66.66666

What happened Blaine? Are you gonna blame my beliefs for the failings of the people you voted for?

When are you and your like minded voters gonna take some responsibility for the people you elect???
Conservative America voted for Bush TWO TIMES voted for BUSH TWO TIMES, nobody forced you
guys to do this,

yet again,

you blame progressives for this.

I understand that there is division going on, but you pretend you are above it all, you are not. You talk as if I am
EVIL for having different views,

frankly that is ignorant.




When people begin to understand that these are the facts, they can begin to defend themselves.


What facts?

Your subjective opinion on why conservatives are apparently TOO RETARDED to ever vote for a conservative
with five tries?

Really Blaine

- i find it insulting that you think so low of your fellow conservative friends.
Maybe Conservatives should get their own house in order, who do you think has control about who you vote for,
or campaign for? YOU - so how is that a function of my politics?




This pattern has repeated over and over again throughout history with the same end results of a two class system, with one living in opulence and luxury, and the other living in servitude. One way they pull this off is by using the same methods used by Stalin and others. Turn part of the lower working class against the others in the working class to keep the fight between them and away from the privileged / ruling class.


There has been a two class system since the dawn of civilization, if you want to live by the law of nature
what do you expect? We are social animals and care about ourselves first -






This is easily accomplished through schools, unions and political parties, where that portion of the working class receives special privileges for willingly pushing the ruling class agenda. That group is conditioned to hate the others who are not a part of their union or their political ideology, which allows the ruling class to hide behind them. Give a man in a factory an extra dollar an hour for the same job and they will willingly become part of the agenda. Yes people are that cheap to buy and yes the whole thing is that simple. Everything else is part of a smokescreen to confuse the perceived stupid, illiterate citizens they believe.


Ya it appears to work very well



The fact it is becoming so in your face these days and little effort is being made by the Progressives among us to hide their disdain for us, tells me we are close to the time where people will have to decide, do we live free or do we cave in to a Nanny State with every aspect of our lives being controlled by the ruling elite.


Fear much Blaine? Why don't you change some conservative's ideas on the corporation which will help diminish
the elite control. The Government is OUR instrument, WE THE PEOPLE, I assume you want to diminish that
power and give it to private business's. So how can you fight the elites if you want them to be free to do whatever they want? How about we just instate SMART governance?



Sadly, those doing the most to destroy our freedoms are ordinary citizens, completely fooled by their elite watchdogs and leaders. They actually think more government, more control and less freedoms is the right thing to do. Oddly enough the backers of this always include the poorest and most underprivileged among us as they become the easiest people to buy.


Well things are out of control, this is why I would suggest trying to control so of the crime.

Hey Blaine, next time your car is out of control, why don't you practice your political approach with your car???
The last sentence is just washed prejudice speaking out your backside... I know more conservative union members than liberal - F.D, P.D and Teamster

Poor people back the liberals because liberals believe in minimum wage as I do... It is simple,




It took me a long time to come to grips with how this plays out in their minds, but I think I'm beginning to understand how the thought process works. What threw me is the idea any intelligent person would not look to history for answers and understand that history repeats itself. How could they not realize that if you do A + B it always equals C? Progressive leaders seem intelligent enough and some seem quite genuine in their good intentions, but if they are why this mental block and the illogical conclusions?


I feel the same way

You want to stop the march of corporate elitism by differing your constitutional power to corporations?


Or the national debt Blaine

Started under Reagan - as we have cut taxes and followed his mantra this country has gotten worse and worse.




I've come to the conclusion that what causes this among the Progressives on both the imaginary Right and the imaginary Left they have created is simple enough; I should have seen it long ago. It goes like this in their heads.
- I am of superior intellect to the masses.
- The only chance the masses have is if we who are superior make their decisions for them and rule them.
- The fact that Progressive / Socialism has always failed and hurt the people in the past is those leading before where also inferior to me, therefore they did it wrong, but we / I will do it right. History does not matter.
- Since I am superior to others, I deserve to live better than they do and be treated differently for what I do for them.
- Since I am superior I should live under a different set of rules as the People are too stupid to be trusted with freedoms.
- Since I am superior it is OK if I lie to and manipulate those inferior to me as it is for their own good.


Are you talking about yourself? because it seems to me


- I am of superior intellect to the masses - Clearly, your whole thread proves how stupid everyones is when they don't agree with you (did you get this sentiment from TALK RADIO
- ya you did
them liberals think your stupid, or maybe the people who feed this to you think your stupid? I just think you are extremely misguided
and a bit of a dinosaur, but good people otherwise )

- The only chance the masses have is if we who are superior make their decisions for them and rule them.

Corporations and government, not my un fulfilled ideas that remain in my head friend


- The fact that Progressive / Socialism has always failed and hurt the people in the past is those leading before where also inferior to me, therefore they did it wrong, but we / I will do it right. History does not matter.

Hey my Granny lived an O.K life on her S.S check, she got to help raise me instead of work until she died.
I guess you reckon that is bad


You know you really absorb too much mass media, I bet you $50 bucks you would be glad to have me next to you in a bar fight or helping you when your house was threatened by a swollen river. We are all Americans
and I disagree with some of your ideas on how to fix our problems, but I am not a monster as you seem to assume.

Progressives/ Liberals create some of the disfunction here and Conservatives do too

I think your are old enough to understand that it takes two to tango, maybe you can learn, grow and re-asses some of your own ideas? I have and it has helped me see that we all have a role in the disfunction, that IS taking responsibility PARTNER!

Good Luck!
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posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Started under Reagan - as we have cut taxes and followed his mantra this country has gotten worse and worse.


This statement simply is not true.

Please explain this reasoning.






posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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To me, it all leads back to the fact we are talking about true Narcissism here. They really do think they know more, are smarter and that we need them to make our decisions for us. To understand the Progressive mindset, we must understand they honestly believe what they are doing is right and that them making our decisions for us is the right thing to do.

That is why they can lie, cheat and mislead without guilt. They have a mindset that excuses them for their actions. They seem to view people who don't agree with them as being like a child or favored pet. It's for our own good that they control us. Only they could possibly make good decisions. That is why they can ignore histories lessons and actually believe that they can make the same mistakes over and over again, believing under their guidance only they can get it right and those before them who failed, failed because they were not as educated or wise as they perceive themselves to be.

It's the only way I can come to grips with such seemingly intelligent people being so blind to reality.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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Isn’t whether we have health care for all like all modern societies, social security or clean air, or guns in the street and other issues legitimate questions for a society to decide?

I think the myth is that there is no left right division, it certainly
is, and that the idea that there isnt is just dogma



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by MMPI2
reply to post by Janky Red
 





Started under Reagan - as we have cut taxes and followed his mantra this country has gotten worse and worse.


This statement simply is not true.

Please explain this reasoning.





IT is simply all too true

The majority of national debt before 1981 consisted of WWII debt



Reagan
09/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 * 1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 * 1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 * 1,377,210,000,000.00
09/30/1982 * 1,142,034,000,000.00
09/30/1981 * 997,855,000,000.00



The interest is another story -

increase for ol RR -

The interest compounding on this is STAGGERING

But the base increase of 150% is unprecidented before Reagan




09/30/1980 907,701,000,000.00
09/30/1979 * 826,519,000,000.00
09/30/1978 * 771,544,000,000.00
09/30/1977 * 698,840,000,000.00
06/30/1976 * 620,433,000,000.00
06/30/1975 * 533,189,000,000.00
06/30/1974 475,059,815,731.55
06/30/1973 458,141,605,312.09
06/30/1972 427,260,460,940.50
06/30/1971 398,129,744,455.54
06/30/1970 370,918,706,949.93
06/30/1969 353,720,253,841.41
06/30/1968 347,578,406,425.88
06/30/1967 326,220,937,794.54
06/30/1966 319,907,087,795.48
06/30/1965 317,273,898,983.64
06/30/1964 311,712,899,257.30
06/30/1963 305,859,632,996.41
06/30/1962 298,200,822,720.87
06/30/1961 288,970,938,610.05
06/30/1960 286,330,760,848.37
06/30/1959 284,705,907,078.22
06/30/1958 276,343,217,745.81
06/30/1957 270,527,171,896.43
06/30/1956 272,750,813,649.32
06/30/1955 274,374,222,802.62
06/30/1954 271,259,599,108.46
06/30/1953 266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 255,221,976,814.93
06/30/1950 257,357,352,351.04


Reagan Spent 2 and half time more money in eight years than thirty years of presidents could do prior


This is the truth -

You should re asses your ideas

www.treasurydirect.gov...
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posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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You read my words, but you only understood what you chose to understand. I am not a Conservative, a Republican, a Democrat or any other descriptive you choose to use to label me.

Progressives are not unique to the Left and exist in all facets of society. One thing that is shared among them, is a belief they and only they are smart enough, educated enough to make decisions. If your far enough Right or far enough Left you run head on into Progressives. They share the same goal of controlling the masses, by force if necessary and by manipulation, lies and scams if needed.

Progressives on the Right may do a stand up job of hiding who they are and what they believe, but they are the same people. That is why when the ruling party in the White House changes, nothing changes. It is most certainly a ruse to fool the dumb masses into thinking they have some control when in fact the entire game is rigged. It works too.
There are no dumb masses however but they want those they have brainwashed to think of anyone opposing them as stupid, because they honestly believe they are.

You can not have a calm conversation with any Progressive I've ever met in fact. They tend to view debate as an attack and when they attack with threats, intimidation and name calling it is OK as they are right and the majority of us are wrong.

Look at what is happening to Obama as he moves to the center to stay popular enough to be of value to his handlers in the next election. They are throwing him under the bus almost daily. He has so many tire prints on his body now, he is becoming a bit of Pop-Art. There is no loyalty or ideals and morals involved. It's all about I'm right, I'm smarter than you and therefore you are stupid if you don't let me tell you what to think and how to live.

This last couple of weeks has been a disgusting display by Progressives from both sides of the aisle. Both sides trying to use the latest tragedy to advance their personal agenda and to manipulate people. You don't think in the back of their minds they were not hoping that the shooter would be Tea Party Member, or on the other side hope it was a radical member of SEIU or the Panther's? That is the first thought that crossed their minds I'm sure.

The difference is obvious. When most of us see something horrible like that happened we don't immediately start figuring out a way to use it to benefit us. We think oh my god, those poor people and what a monster that person is. Then the Progressives, who are smarter than us get on the airwaves telling us no, we will tell you who's fault it is and blame it on the other side.

What is unique this time is it all was laid out for us to see in all its disgusting splendor as the facts failed to support the things they were saying to try and divide us for their own agenda. They being the Progressives with both a D or and R after their names.

If you think my words are fodder to attack me based on some fake assignment of my being a D or an R, you have completely misread me. Or you did understand and your trying to spin it for whatever reason you happen to have. Me, I'm just another Bozo on the Bus, trying to survive and have some joy in my life and security for the home I support with my work. I'm no better or worse than you or anyone else. My idea's and everyone elses ideas all have merit and we all have a right to be heard. What we don't have is the right to lie, manipulate, or force others to submit to some self-perceived superior person who wishes to control us, because they see us as being like children or a pet that needs to be controlled for their own good.

In my world the rule of law is enough and other than that we just need honest people that we trust and pay to watch over OUR Government for US. We don't need a Nanny to tell us what to eat, what to buy, what Religion to believe in, what to do with our own bodies and then pet us on the head and sign nice puppy.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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Do I have to point out that you've fallen into the exact false dialectic or left/right division in your attack upon the "progressive mind"? Tell me I'm not the only one that has noticed this obvious contradiction, dare I say, hypocrisy.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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You can not have a calm conversation with any Progressive I've ever met in fact. They tend to view debate as an attack and when they attack with threats, intimidation and name calling it is OK as they are right and the majority of us are wrong.


Hard to find truer words spoken than these.




posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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That is not the topic of this thread.

The topic is people of a Progressive mindset who think they are superior and want to control us and manipulate us into a system where one class rules over another by force, under the guise of fake freedom. Those who want to go beyond the rule of law and manipulate us into allowing them to do as they wish to us for their own good.

Just one generation ago, had you suggested that today a legal US Citizen would have to submit to being ID'ed, searched and even have to submit to being viewed in the nude to travel from one location inside the US to another location inside the US they would not have believed you. There would have been riots in the streets, ironically by the same people who are controlling us now.

Just two generations ago, most Democrats and Republicans were so alike that you could not tell them apart. Then the Progressives who would control us took over the schools, the government offices, became attorneys and slowly started the brainwashing path that has led us to actually approve of them taking over control of our lives. To see the end result, go to a real Library and find history books before the massive rewrite of history and read about the former Soviet Union. The similarities should be in your face as you do. The end game should be obvious.

We don't need to be nearly as afraid of Terrorists, criminals or the like as we do ordinary people who consider themselves superior to the masses and have the messianic complex that comes along with that. That shooter in the news is so much like the Progressives behind the scenes it should make the hair on your neck stand up. Narcissists and that shooter have much in common and it does not matter which side they are on.

Look how easy it was to convince people that he was not to blame for his own actions, his obvious and classic psychotic break associated with his paranoid schizophrenia are not why he killed. He killed because of other peoples words. Who's words? Anyone's words that did not agree with the Progressive from the Left or the Right who happened to be speaking at the moment. Do they believe their own words? No they don't. Do they think they can use a tragedy to their benefit by planting that idea in your head to make you hate people who don't agree with them? You bet they do. Should we prove them right by allowing them to control our thoughts and eventually us completely? Not in my idea of a good world.



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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As for the point that progressivism doesn’t work, well then why are most if not all of the most materially successful societies in the world progressive?

There is England, France, Canada, Germany, Japan, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and other places who understand modernity and progressive policies that benefit the people.

They ALL have national health care, for example, and most other social services that can be called progressive somewhat, and while those countries aren’t perfect, they are considered the most successful in the world.

Where are these other countries that the OP wants America to emulate or learn from?

Some imaginary society out of his imagination or a real flesh and blood society that America can emulate.

No one in America wants to be like Russia, but there are many other countries like I mentioned above that if Americans weren’t so brainwashed with the arrogance of their own exceptionalism they would be able to learn from these societies.

Progressivism is only a methodology to garnish fairness, freedom, and justice for all, particularly those on the lowest rung of the ladder.

The Op talks about soon the government will be telling us to do this and that.
But isn’t it the conservatives who want to ban abortion and make woman have babies they don’t want and tell you what to watch on TV or to abstain from sex make drugs illegal.

The countries mentioned above don't have the tyrany that you fear; so what are you really talking about but Glenn Beck propaganda



posted on Jan, 18 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by joechip
Do I have to point out that you've fallen into the exact false dialectic or left/right division in your attack upon the "progressive mind"? Tell me I'm not the only one that has noticed this obvious contradiction, dare I say, hypocrisy.


No Joechip you don't. You see it is you who thinks the word Progressive only applies to one side. That is as they wish it to be in fact. The fact is they exist in equal I think, although small numbers on both sides. The whole idea of a Party system is to keep us at each others throats. Behind closed doors do you really think these Progressives who have taken control are not best of friends who script what we see according to a plan?

You see it's easy to control us by keeping us at each others throats. Don't confuse what I'm talking about with Partisanship and the false Left-Right Paradigm I mentioned in the title, so people would hopefully understand that I'm not taking any side. The people I'm talking about don't care which side they are on, just so they are in control and how do they politely take what control we have left from we the stupid masses who they see as not being fit to clean their toilets without their leave.

All through history, country after country has been slowly taken over and turned into a society ruled over by the elitists we now call Narcissists. It always happens the same way. Then we have to fight our way back to freedom only to let them trick us again. Why do you think they always take control of the schools and rewrite history to suit their agenda? Because to them we are too stupid to know the truth or we would willingly give over power to them and grovel at their feet.

All they need really to realize their dream of dominating us for our own good, is to control the schools, control the Celebrities and control the dialogue. At that point people will start willingly letting them take control. Once they take control the classes and the divide between them widens until the elite become so full of themselves, they no longer care at all about the lower the class and then the true outcome of this idea always happens.

Stalin was a Hero, Mao was a Hero, Hitler was a Hero and on and on and on, but what do they all have in common? They viewed themselves as superior and found a way to convince the masses through manipulation, education and lies that they knew best. Then the road to them going over that ledge into insanity they are driven over by the Power they wield, destroys them and the people they rule. Once again the people have to fight there way back to freedom.

They use whatever tool is available to them to divide. The Unions in the US got their power originally by advertising they don't accept the Chinese. Then they turn their members against anyone who is not Union. The Parties the same thing. The idea is to keep us fighting and it does not matter why. If we are all busy hating each other, how can we pay attention to what they are doing to us. Most people don't.



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