I think Loughner was hanging around usenet before he come here.

Something was striking me odd about him……….. Everything that everyone has found is under one year old or close. People don’t pop into existence out of nowhere. There must be some traces he left before now………. Before one year ago. So I set out to try and find them.

One thing that came to mind is usenet. My old stomping ground. And surprise surprise, I kept finding posters that matched the “general profile” I found several posters that matched. At first, I thought that it might be a group of people, or him using multiple profiles, but when I looked at a the date spreads of the similar profiles I found, none of the profiles overlapped, so the change of name and change of email address corresponded with him moving from place to place.

Profiles that I think match him. The first two, i am pretty sure about.(I am sure there is more)

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After looking at some of the post (there is several thousand)……. something stands out………..

He is rabid liberal…………. Eternal peace and wealth through eternal money, government can help everyone, megacorps are bad, and that crap. I mean rabid….

I haven’t looked at enough to determine if he is anti gun, or pro gun.

But that leads me to an eerie feeling

He was posting up until about a year ago under various names. I haven’t found anything newer. Then he was reborn as this anti government against the machine person that he has presented on the rest of the web for the last year. Remember, he did buy a gun one year ago. He got the gun before he started doing the stuff that he knew would make it hard for him to get a gun.

The reason I started looking is because something about the “persona” he portrays is off. It is almost like looking at Japanese dressed up as cowboys. They are not authentic, but they try to dress and act like they think cowboys act. He is acting like a liberal thinks a tea party gun nut would act. That is why I have been thinking it was an operative that the left has sent, because he didn’t act like he had any authenticity, it was all abstract tea party, uneducated, stupid, red neck, conspiracy stuff taken to extreme.

He went about getting on all the conspiracies sites to fill out the “profile” he wanted to present. As a wacked out, bigoted, conspiracy, anti government, nut job.

And you notice when the tea party got cranked up……. You guessed it, about the time he made the shift.

It is almost like he could not stand the idea of a conservative, gun loving resurgence, and he started a plan to discredit them using their own tools against them..

A snipit from one of the later poems of a suspect profile has a real freaky resemblance to his actions.

Tears might have dried from my eyes as I was born
again after a countless births; and the horrendously
augmenting robotism of this planet; rendering each
part of my dwindling body; to just an unemotional
machine,
But I still feel like a solitary warrior perennially
oozing blood in the midst of the ominously excoriating
battlefield; barbarically dying every instant although
possessing fountains of mystical breath; without your
aroma of ingratiatingly oneness and stupendously
ever-pervading charm.....


And tears might have dried from my eyes as fleeting
minutes sped into wholesomely new civilizations of
tomorrow; with each element of my penurious visage
extraordinarily busy; in acclimatizing to the devilish
dust around,
But I still indefatigably pledged to end priceless
life; with each beat of my heart transforming into a
skeleton of worthless hatred; without your perpetually
poignant principles of humanity; your unassailable
belief in the religion of unshakable mankind....

This just does not feel right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From his posts, I think someone that he had feeling for, left him........... She probably didn’t like his political/social views. So he took spite against her, and the other conservatives he hated, and hatched a plan to make them pay

Brought to you by monied God-less scienctific military industrial
complex playing god at all costs...all in order to engineer a more
durable and efficient bio-robotik human being for lesser cost.


In other words, death and disease for profit.


What is in reality happening is that the amway-inspired global financial
machine has run amok, and is seeking instant gratification and greed
into -ITs- self-ordained future as a merchant of death.


Monied science designed to benefit the few = death.
Non-monied science designed to benefit all = life.


So...why NOT abolish the power of money?


What good is usury debt? Usury debt limits growth. Why not abolish usury
debt for the good of all our relations, including those transhumanists
intent on committing suicide...?

Sounds familiar hu?

One thing i seen him link to........
www.rense.com...
Can you say "mind control"?

It doesn't sound like him. The wording is different.

Originally posted by Blueracer
It doesn't sound like him. The wording is different.

I have found several things from each of them that rings buzzers. So I looked at more of the post from each of them.

I posted that first quote because of what the poem said at the ending. It sent chills up my spine.

It seems at time he acted like he was christen on the news groups, then acted like he was zen, then acted like he was Muslim, then the ones that catch my attention are where he fallows along the atheist lines. It is almost like he is just playing around with people for a laugh.

I will try to find the stuff I originally ran across that made me think that they are just his “aliases”

I don't think it is.

He is 22 years old. The first two links are from 2003 - 2005. That would make him about 14-16 or so at the time, but he is having a more or less rational and imo, far more advanced discussion with others than that of a 14 year old.

At least in the first link.

The second person just seems a run of the mill [insert term] that you'd find anywhere on the net, usually here however.

The last link appears to be from someone who fancies himself a poet - not unusual for usenet.

Oh and he's from India...

Here's his website.

www.nikhilparekh.com...

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I'll dumb it down for you... You don't acquire commodity X, but you acquire
the money to buy commodity X, and then you acquire commodity X. A two bit
deal, not one bit as envisioned by economist. Money has to come from
somebody else... Now for you to have this money, third person Y, must not.
He will only unload money for your use if there is something in it for him
(profits, exploitation). The selling and rebuying puts pressure on the
money supply, and gives the money changers profits.

Notice he thinks that the people he is talking to is “Too stupid to understand” so he dumbs it down for them…….. Ring a bell? And how he dumbs it down starts to look an awful lot like his run-on sentences. Reaks …… it reaks…….

It would give a new meaning to why he post like that. He thinks that we are so stupid that he has to arrange his wording in that fashion so “we will understand”

The only way to avoid this would be to have an infinite currency system,
such that every contribution reflected an universal credit, and each
consumption represented a debit, such that the money supply could grow with
the economy.

Now if the term infinite currency doesn’t make the bells ring, then I don't know what to say.

I will post more in a bit.

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What determines if the buyer or seller's currency is used? Is their
data on how often the currency must be bought before the commodity
bought? Amounts? Per country? Does this explain dollar hegemony?
Is their detailed information on the balance statements of each
country's central bank in comparison format?

When a central bank expands their M0, do they buy their own M2/M3 or
other's M2/M3(like dollars/Euros/gold). What is a peg? The
alternative to a peg? What is a speculative attack?


How did the gold standard work? What percentage of the time were the
various countrys' currencies fractionally backed with gold, (as
opposed to 100% backed with gold). How did Bretton Woods determine
the price of gold? Did the gold to gold claim ratio have anything to
do with determining price?


In the Civil War of the US, what determined the value of the
confederate's currency? Did the South steal wealth from the North, by
not burning all dollars in their possession, when they introduced
their own currency? (Since they could acquire northern goods, with
nothing in return.) Would/did this cause massive inflation in the
north? Was Southern currency fractionally gold based?


When country's have historically expanded has there ever been the
option for the acquired lands to trade in their old currency? How
often have seceding countries been able to unload the old country's
money, while issuing their own money?


When the Euro joined currencies, who got to determine whose currency
was worth relative to the other currencies? Was the Mark to compose
90% of Euro M0 or 20%? Is the Euro currency going to include new
countries soon? When a country is added do the citizens have to
acquire Euro's or can they convert the old currency to Euro's. Are
there any other feasible plans for currency unions elsewhere in the
world?


For that matter, what determines any currencies worth relative to
other's if they are both intrinsically worthless pieces of paper that
can(?) be replaced with each other?


Does the US share seignorage profits with any other dollarized nation?


Thanks in advance for any replies!

Now if that just doesn’t encapsulate everything relating to money I have seen on the videos, I don’t know what does/

As a textbook, would put it, no. However... To me the X's ability to create
is the same as Y's inability to create. In this sense, profits can maximized
by externalizing cost, while internalizing profits. You always want to
internalize your intermediary of exchange, else you are having to pay in
real wealth to those who can export worthless pieces of paper, while you
export land and/or stored labor. Think about it...

Ummmm No…….. it makes my head hurt………

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Money is not so much as OCD as it is an addiction...

Those that create money create addiction to what creators of money
create.
Lovers of money represent pavlovian trained social darwinism. Greed, as
a human condition created and enforce with the power of money.


Why not simply disempower money in order to cure diseases?

Monied christianity is monied jewish.
Monied jewish is monied christianity.

Both represent love of money.
The love of money is the root for all evil--1 Timothy 6:10
Both represent love of monied evil.

Both are monied fraternal organizations employing fraternal monied
dogmalogic ritually in order to own the souls of every living creature,
with money...

Money was/is created in order to sell the love of money...

Why not choose another alternative?

Why not choose to disempower monied evil?

How...?

Think about the benefits of more freedom from the power of money, and
pass your findings on. Learn to share, for the good of all our
relations. Simple.

Money is backed by a source of value defined by money? As I see it, the
value of any labor, production, and/or resource is defined by money in
order to legitimize money as a monied tool of monied trade.
So which is it...? Is money an asset all on its own, or does money
define an asset in order to define the monied value of money?
Also, how can inflation be a concern when free money is available for all?
It seems to me that should inflation run amok, all one need do is gather
more free money in order to cover the costs of inflation.
Why won't more printed money[free for all] fuel the economy and
stimulate more labor, production and/or resources? A rule of thumb of
economists is that money in the pocket stimulates growth, does it not?
I believe money has outlived its usefullness. Simply put, money has
failed as an evolutionary tool. Greed as a way of life is destined to fail.

Do I need to go any farther on that one?

Why do none of those google links work for me?

They just take me to a generic page.

So you're essentially saying that he's planned this for a year at which time he made himself out to be a right wing lunatic (presumably enrolling in a community college prealgebra class and disturbing fellow students as well) to all those that would check on him.

At first it sounds crazy. But after you think about it for awhile, this guy really wanted you to find all his stuff online....

Originally posted by mr-lizard
They just take me to a generic page.

I will try to find a way to fix them.........

2nd line.........

Originally posted by Blueracer
It doesn't sound like him. The wording is different.

I think is sounds exactly like what a chemically balanced,
or more balanced, version of him would sound like.

Exactly.

I know a guy who is just like this nut and that
is the kind of elloquent stuff he used to write
before he had his wires burnt by crude
street drugs mixed with pharma.


David Grouchy

Nix the last profile i linked to, the one I said I wasn’t sure about…….. That is one of a writer from India, The reason I locked onto that one was his mention of how good the feeling of infinite currency would be in one of his poems. Then when I seen that part I quoted in my first post, it freaked me out.

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All the links work for me……… I don’t know how else I can link to them. The best Idea I have is just search google groups.

Originally posted by Mr Tranny
Nix the last profile i linked to, the one I said I wasn’t sure about…….. That is one of a writer from India, The reason I locked onto that one was his mention of how good the feeling of infinite currency would be in one of his poems. Then when I seen that part I quoted in my first post, it freaked me out.

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All the links work for me……… I don’t know how else I can link to them. The best Idea I have is just search google groups.

edit on 9-1-2011 by Mr Tranny because: (no reason given)

It is not him.... give it up guys, come on, really? a 14 year old can debate at 14 better than he can at 22? 14, is when you're still not even sure what sex is like more than once...let alone how economies work.

It's pretty sad that now anyone that has a similar opinion to this psychotic loser, is now him until it's proven otherwise.

How about this little fact - there are people out there with similar opinions to this nut. Not allof them are him, and not all of them will kill.

Just look at his threads here, people were STARRING his posts....

crikey... ugh