Experiment Confirms Viking Actually Did Find Organic Compounds on Mars 30 Years Ago

WOW, well I'm surprised to say the least, but it's a start. I'm not sure how legit this site is, can someone please confirm this?!

Decades after scientists said NASA's Mars missions had found inconclusive evidence of organic compounds on Mars, a new study says not only are there organics on Mars, but Viking found them back in the 1970s, and scientists completely missed them.

io9.com...

Assuming the news is legit, I wonder if the scientist disregard the evidence... or were told to leave it alone! If so, that means for at least 30 years we have been secretly going back to Mars for more discoveries... what else have we found?

reply to post by freighttrain


Scientists Say Mars Viking Mission Found Life
28 July 2001
www.space.com...


Debate on Mars life rages long after Viking - CNN
Jul 20, 2001
articles.cnn.com...:TECH

reply to post by zorgon


Neat, somehow I missed all this Then how come NASA is not disclosing the fact we "HAVE" encounter an alien life on Mars!

reply to post by freighttrain


This thread alredy exist.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

But I'm completely agreed with you!

Check out the extract from mikesingh's thread, Scientific Evidence Of Life On Mars!! Why is NASA Obfuscating The Truth?

"Here is an analysis of evidence of life on Mars. What is surprising is that the positive results produced by the Viking Landers have been stone walled for reasons which needless to say, seem to be obvious.

This is a paper I found while going through the LANL archives, which I think has pretty much been collecting dust. I wonder why NASA has not commented on these findings? If it has, I haven’t chanced upon it as yet.

Having said that, this paper was presented to the scientific community at the Carnegie Geophysical Laboratory seminar by Dr Gilbert V. Levin, Ph.D. Chairman, Executive Officer for Science, Spherix Incorporated. I would recommend you read the seemingly incredible analyses where you will learn the truth and evidence of life on Mars.

Other revealing analyses and papers which are worth a read have been included in the acknowledgements at the end. Though extremely thought provoking and interesting, I must warn you that this makes for heavy reading! But then life on Mars has to be scientifically proved, and all science which can get pretty complicated, is not everyone’s cup of tea!

For those who find it tough to go through the labyrinth of scientific terminology, here are a few excerpts from these papers/lectures that will set you thinking.

The Viking Project was begun by NASA on November 15, 1968, and was composed of two orbiters and two landers. The launch was initially planned for 1973, but postponed to 1975 due to the complexity and challenge of the project.


Viking on Mars.
Courtesy: MSSS

In a May 3, 2007, Carnegie dinner, Carnegie Institution Chairman, Michael Gellert, pointed out that the Institution was founded to - and does - concentrate on high risk problems.

This makes Carnegie the proper venue for exploring a major scientific paradigm change – there is life on Mars. And, most importantly, to determine whether life had more than one origin, as would be indicated were Earth life and Mars life is fundamentally different.

Such a result would have profound implications for the existence of life, including intelligent life, throughout the universe. I am thus very pleased to have the opportunity to present this prospect at the Carnegie Institution Geophysical Laboratory seminar.

The Excerpts.

The Carnegie Institution Geophysical Laboratory Seminar
Analysis of evidence of Mars life held 05/14/2007.

The Viking Landers carried nine courses of the Labeled Release experiment (LR) designed to detect any metabolizing microorganisms that might be present on the Martian surface. The LR was designed to drop a nutrient solution of organic compounds labeled with radioactive carbon atoms into a soil sample taken from the surface of Mars and placed into a small test cell. A radiation detector then monitored over time for the evolution of radioactive gas from the sample as evidence of metabolism: namely, if microorganisms were metabolizing the nutrients they had been given.

When the experiment was conducted on both Viking Landers, it gave positive results almost immediately.

(Now why has this remained a subject of debate when the results were positive in the first instance?) The reasons cited were:

1. “The Viking organic analysis instrument (GCMS), an abbreviated gas chromatograph-mass spectrometer designed to identify the organic material widely presumed to be present on Mars, found no organic molecules”.

After years of discussion and experimentation, a consensus was reached explaining this negative result as a lack of sensitivity.

2. "UV destroys life and organics".

Yet sampling soil from under a rock on Mars demonstrated that UV light was not inducing the LR activity detected.

3. "Strong oxidants were present that destroy life and organics".

Findings by the Viking Magnetic Properties Experiment showed that the surface material of Mars contains a large magnetic component, evidence against a highly oxidizing condition.

4. “Too much too soon”. The LR positive responses and their reaction kinetics were said to be those of a first order reaction, without the lag or exponential phases seen in classic microbial growth curves, all of which seemed to argue for a simple chemical reaction.

However, terrestrial LR experiments on a variety of soils produced response rates with the kinetics and the range of amplitudes of the LR on Mars, thereby offsetting this argument.

5. “Lack of a new surge of gas upon injection of fresh medium”.

However, a previous test of bonded, NASA-supplied Antarctic soil, No. 664, had shown this same type of response to a 2nd injection. The failure of the 2nd injection to elicit a response can be attributed to the organisms in the active sample having died sometime after the 1st injection, during the latter part of Cycle 1.

6. "There can be no liquid water on the surface of Mars".

Since November and December 2006, the accumulated evidence shows that liquid water exists in soil even if only as a thin film. Viking, itself, gave strong evidence of the presence of liquid water. Snow or frost is seen in Viking images of the landing site (e.g., Viking Lander Image 21I093). Pathfinder has shown that the surface atmosphere of Mars exceeds 20 degrees C during part of the day, providing transient conditions for liquid water.


Heavy Frost, or Snow. Deposit at Viking Lander 2 Site (Viking Lander Image 211093).
Courtesy: Spherix Inc

7. "Cosmic radiation destroys life on Mars".

A recent report calculated the incoming flow of both galactic cosmic rays particles (GCR) and solar energetic protons (SEP) over a wide energy range. As a result one may acknowledge that -without even invoking natural selection to enhance radiation protection and damage repair- the radiation incident to the surface of Mars appears trivial for the survival of numerous terrestrial-like microorganisms.

Adding to this rising tide of facts supporting the detection of life by the Viking LR experiment are the recent findings in the Martian atmosphere of methane, formaldehyde, and, possibly, ammonia, gases frequently involved in microbial metabolism.
(Excerpt from lecture by Dr Gilbert V. Levin, Ph.D).



Hydrogen Densities (Probably Water) on Mars with Viking 1 and 2 Landing Sites Located (VL1 & VL2).
Courtesy: Los Alamos National Laboratory


Where there’s water, there’s life!
Courtesy: LANL

Have the colors of Mars images been fudged too? Why? The first is the untouched one from NASA. The second image is I think what it actually is after I reduced the red tinge....


Courtesy: MSSS

I have attempted to summarize the main points here, though there are many more surprises, if you read the links provided.

So what do you make of this? Why is the scientific community shying away from the reality that alien life forms exist on Mars, considering this scientific evidence? Why are we being denied the truth? The hesitation probably lies in the fact that accepting the reality of life on Mars would result in profound implications for the psyche of mankind as a whole.

Cheers! We may not be alone after all!"

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by OrionHunterX


Very interesting, thanks for you input! I love to be able to see the full color version of Mars and it's vegetation in close up. However, another thoguht comes to mind when seeing the photo from the rover... what if NONE of the photos are form Mars and it's from earth. Which explains why they changed the color... assuming that Mars would be reddish. The real photos maybe have never been shown to us, probably because it's just like earth!

reply to post by freighttrain

Earth looks blue from space. Does everything on Earth have a blue tinge? Nope!

Mars looks reddish brown from space. Would everything on Mars have a reddish tinge?

Why don't you tell me...

Originally posted by OrionHunterX
Check out the extract from mikesingh's thread, Scientific Evidence Of Life On Mars!! Why is NASA Obfuscating The Truth?

Nice to see you supporting your Dad for once

Originally posted by freighttrain
I love to be able to see the full color version of Mars and it's vegetation in close up.

On the color on Mars... check out this thread...

True Color Images from Mars Rovers
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Seems ArMaP and I finally reached an agreement we call 'REAL' color... as we would see it

However, another thought comes to mind when seeing the photo from the rover... what if NONE of the photos are form Mars and it's from earth. Which explains why they changed the color... assuming that Mars would be reddish. The real photos maybe have never been shown to us, probably because it's just like earth!

Hmmm well maybe you are right...


or another possibility, from a NASA presentation



The Truth is Out There.... somewhere

Originally posted by zorgon

Nice to see you supporting your Dad for once

Zorg! This ain't anything to do with those wonky aliens and fancy UFOs on Mars!! Gimme a break!

Amazing stuff here, thanks for making the thread! Things like this really do make it seem like the truth will soon be out. The evidence is really starting to pile up now.