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Biggest Terrorism Scaremongers Are THEMSELVES Promoting Terrorism

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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 02:53 PM

The biggest scaremongers regarding the threat from terrorism are themselves promoting terrorism. Don’t believe me? Well, Pulitzer-prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh says that the Bush administration (and especially Dick Cheney) helped to fund groups which the U.S. claims are terrorists (see confirming articles here and here). And as the New York Times, Washington Post and others are reporting, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, former national security adviser Fran Townsend and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey – who all said that the terrorists were going to get us if we didn’t jettison the liberties granted under the Bill of Rights – are now supporting terrorists in Iran. If you’ve forgotten how shrill these folks were, here’s some background on Giulani (and see this), Ridge, Townsend and Mukasey (and see this and this).

As Raw Story reports today: Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, former national security adviser Fran Townsend and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey all attended a forum organized by supporters of Mujaheddin-e Khalq (MEK). The MEK is a communist group that helped Saddam Hussein carry out attacks against Iraq’s Shiite population in the 1990s. The group attacked Americans in Iran in the 1980s and helped with the 1979 takeover of the US embassy in Tehran. The US designated the MEK a foreign terrorist organization in January 2009. Giuliani and the former Bush officials, however, sided with the group due to their opposition to the current Iranian regime. “Appeasement of dictators leads to war, destruction and the loss of human lives,” Giuliani told the forum. “For your organization to be described as a terrorist organization is just really a disgrace.” “The United States should not just be on your side,” he said. “It should be enthusiastically on your side. You want the same things we want.” “If the United States truly wants to put pressure on the Iranian regime, it takes more than talk and it takes more than sanctions,” Townsend declared. Georgetown University law professor and attorney David Cole believes that under US law, the group of conservatives may have gone too far. “The problem is that the United States government has labeled the Mujahedeen Khalq a ‘foreign terrorist organization,’ making it a crime to provide it, directly or indirectly, with any material support,” he wrote in Monday’s edition of the New York Times. “It is therefore a felony, the government has argued, to file an amicus brief on behalf of a ‘terrorist’ group, to engage in public advocacy to challenge a group’s ‘terrorist’ designation or even to encourage peaceful avenues for redress of grievances.” The Supreme Court has ruled that any “advocacy performed in coordination with, or at the direction of, a foreign terrorist organization” is a crime.

Does American exceptionalism mean that terrorism is okay when we promote it? Some in government have been acting as if they believe so.

It would come as know surprise that the USG funded these alleged " terrorist " groups. What better way to fear monger the public, into a non-existent reason for war? Up surd, just truly mind boggling?

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posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 08:55 PM
Nice find! This comes as no surprise to me whatsoever, these people will stop at nothing to keep us scared and restricted.

posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 08:59 PM
Considering the CIA created and trained AlQueda, this comes to no surprise.

Of course they are terrorist fear mongers.

Remember them coming out every day at the press briefing and going " The terror alert, is organ, no red, no green..etc.?

That is fear mongering. Keep people afraid. First it was terrorism, then it was religious extremist and now patriotism turns it's ugly head against the "domestic Terrorist", which really means you and me.

Then again the civilized world has a very bad record of letting war criminals roam free, so don't expect anything to change anytime soon.


posted on Jan, 5 2011 @ 09:07 PM
The public is eating up all this propaganda about terrorists.

Here are the top rated comments on a yahoo article....

Attacks against Christians in Iraq and Egypt by muslims. Religion of peace? It's time to stop the spread of Islam. People need to wake up and see Islam has declared war on every non-muslim.

We should have no tolerance here in the USA. NO MOSQUES!!!

Islam sucks. It promotes violence the world over. No other religion is doing anything like that. Most inspire followers to be better, but Islam inspires violence, hatred, and ignorance.

islam=satanic death cult

islam is a religion of evil and terror. Former muslim converted to christianity!

The religion of peace has struck again!

What happened to Islam being a religion on peace?
After the multiple incidents, I don't believe this for a minute

Another reason to keep opposing the 9/11 VICTORY MOSQUE near Ground Zero !

You're not safe anywhere these days; not even at church!

Typical behaviour....muslims doing what they do best..sowing death and misery. Islam, the worlds largest death cult.

It's just so sickening to watch.
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posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 12:42 AM

it is therefore a felony... to engage in public advocacy to challenge a group’s ‘terrorist’ designation

This sounds stupid. Just what is really going on can be hard to define with many different points of view and reasons for action. The debates and disagreements here on ATS can be frustrating at times, but also enlightening as well as we search to deny ignorance.

It is therefore a encourage peaceful avenues for redress of grievances

This part of the judgement sounds really stupid. Yeah, lets just kill each other instead of understand each other
Terrorism is an issue that deeply affects all of us. Without proper peer and public review to this process we are all left jumping at our own shadows as all we have is a bunch of unknowns and silent answers.

As for the rest it is sounds like some of the relationships behind 9/11 and the ongoing wars are getting exposed, cool.

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posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 04:28 AM
I think this is more a case of ideology rather than the government being the puppet masters of the violent Islamic extremists. The neoconservative ideology has a history of exaggerating threats to validate foreign and domestic policy, this can be best seen by some of the actions taken in the cold war by exaggerating the soviet threat. This is the same thing only with the new enemy, they don’t want people to start forgetting or underestimating the terrorist threat because this would make some of their policy questionable so the solution for the neoconservatives is to exaggerate the threat. This does not indicate as some conspiracy theorists like to claim that elements in the government are behind the terrorist atrocities of the last 15 years or so, it’s just politics.

It is often said on ATS that the CIA at the behest of the American government funded and trained Al’Qa’ida and/or the Taliban and other terrorist groups. That’s just not true the Al’Qa’ida that existed in the 1980’s was just a system of stop over houses and registers for Jihadists going to fight the soviets. OBL was small fish back then, the CIA through the ISA where financing a whole range of war lords and bands of Mujahedeen to fight the soviets. Once they achieved this aim they left and from the ash’s eventually the Taliban rose up some of the old Mujahedeen who were fighting the soviets might have joined up with them although many joined the Northern Alliance. Then in 1996, Al’Qa’ida as we knew it until 2001 emerged. The truth is to properly explain this and show the fallacy of the believe that the CIA have financed and trained Al’Qa’ida can’t really be done on a online forum because it’s such a complex subject so just go read a book that you don’t find in the “conspiracy” section of the book store.

So yeah... the fear mongering is just neo-conservatism in practice, ignore it, it’s just politics and they are not secretly gunning for the terrorists soon as the terrorists are gone they will move on. In the next few decade’s once they have got over the terrorism thing and 9/11 like they did with the cold war they will move on. I would imagine that by the end of this decade there will be a massive cyber attack on America and then the neoconservatives will move on to cyber security and again exaggerate that threat to justify their agenda for government (assuming they are still about).

posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 04:44 AM
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Well put the braying hysteria that the neocons have generated is truly disgusting. Interesting point is that the US definataley sold the Grain to the Soviet Union in the 1970s. If the Soviet Union was such a threat their whole political system could have collapsed by the USA starving them of grain.

Smoke and Mirrors!

posted on Jan, 6 2011 @ 09:16 AM
Regardless of everyone's views, the fact still remains that the upper echelons of power are now relying on this tactic, ( scare mongering ), to sway the people's thought process. And so many cling to the MSM for " valid " information, that they are unable to decern (sp ) from fact or fiction. And with that, gives those in power exactly what they need. The ability to manipulate the people into war, social programs etc.

Regardless, we have more troublesome times ahead of us. With the fear of devaluation of the the USD, suggested new currency in the works.....gonna get rough my friends. You can bank on that!

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