I am redfaced with anger at Obama about this capitulation and spineless act.
Yes, I see the issue...I am not stupid. Either negotiate with this, or taxes for all will roll back to clinton era taxes.
you know what...let it happen.
Dems in house will stop this. Dems in senate will stop this if they know whats good for them. Obama can go to hell for being a fightless flightless
empty suit here.
Screw the republicans! Screw Obama! both are sellouts. Filibuster this, sit on it...this is what leadership does...stands against opposition.
This "deal" will NOT create jobs, it will NOT be paid for, it is NOT the will of the vast majority, it BREAKS a campaign promise core that he swore
on.
There is no reason why this should go through..there is no negotiation here
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Topic started on 9-12-2010 @ 12:46 PM by airspoon
Quarter of tax savings will go to richest one percent
The plan to extend Bush-era tax cuts that President Barack Obama struck with the Senate Republican leadership will result in lower taxes for wealthy and middle-class Americans but will mean a tax hike for the very poorest earners.
According to an analysis in the New York Times, the Obama-GOP deal will mean that individuals earning less than $20,000 and families earning less than $40,000 will see a small tax hike.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story. Source: www.rawstory.com...
So much for the "hope" or "change" that Obama promised the nation (along with almost every other promise). The striking similarities in policy (both foreign and domestic) between the Bush and Obama admins are scary, to say the least. I guess the term, "George W. Obama" is perfectly fitting.
What's even crazier, is that somehow, even these lower income earners, will completely ignore the fact that we were pretty much handed a third term of GWB.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't support any income taxes what-so-ever, though I do find it a little absurd that Americans seem to have no problem with politicians looking out for their own, while basically flipping off the peasant class.
I can't believe that some people still have hope that Obama is any different than any other politician. All of these "grand" ideas that Obama promised the nation, turn out to do more harm than good. I think it's pretty safe to say that Obama's term in office has so far been a complete failure, even if you did vote for him and support his his stated goals.
Obama's health care reform turned into a boon for the insurence and medical industries. He has completely failed to shut down GITMO. Transparency is still foreign, corruption remains fluent and both wars are still raging, with no end in sight, in spite of the "renaming" of operations. Now, apparently the tax issue is once again going in favor of the top percent of elites, while very bottom is not only forgotten, but screwed. This isn;t even the half of it.
So again, what has actually gone right for Obama, or at least what has gone the way that he promised? Before people say, "Obama has to work with Congress" or anything to that affect, he shouldn't have promised it. He's not an idiot, thus I highly doubt that he thought he could get in office and do whatever he wanted. Furthermore, as a politician, it is his job to get these things done. It's actually in his job description.
Sadly, the compromises are only leaving much worse off. If he can't pass a particular policy or legislation, then he should have either left it alone or not made the type of compromise that screws us even more. It just shows either a lack of spine or an ulterior motive. One of the two, maybe both.
--airspoon
Quarter of tax savings will go to richest one percent
The plan to extend Bush-era tax cuts that President Barack Obama struck with the Senate Republican leadership will result in lower taxes for wealthy and middle-class Americans but will mean a tax hike for the very poorest earners.
According to an analysis in the New York Times, the Obama-GOP deal will mean that individuals earning less than $20,000 and families earning less than $40,000 will see a small tax hike.
As part of the deal, Obama agreed to drop the Making Work Pay credit that was created as part of the stimulus package, and replace it with a lower payroll tax. That lost credit -- of $400 or $800 -- is greater than the amount low-income earners will save from the lower payroll tax, meaning, in total, they will pay more.
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
So much for the "hope" or "change" that Obama promised the nation (along with almost every other promise). The striking similarities in policy (both foreign and domestic) between the Bush and Obama admins are scary, to say the least. I guess the term, "George W. Obama" is perfectly fitting.
What's even crazier, is that somehow, even these lower income earners, will completely ignore the fact that we were pretty much handed a third term of GWB.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't support any income taxes what-so-ever, though I do find it a little absurd that Americans seem to have no problem with politicians looking out for their own, while basically flipping off the peasant class.
I can't believe that some people still have hope that Obama is any different than any other politician. All of these "grand" ideas that Obama promised the nation, turn out to do more harm than good. I think it's pretty safe to say that Obama's term in office has so far been a complete failure, even if you did vote for him and support his his stated goals.
Obama's health care reform turned into a boon for the insurence and medical industries. He has completely failed to shut down GITMO. Transparency is still foreign, corruption remains fluent and both wars are still raging, with no end in sight, in spite of the "renaming" of operations. Now, apparently the tax issue is once again going in favor of the top percent of elites, while very bottom is not only forgotten, but screwed. This isn;t even the half of it.
So again, what has actually gone right for Obama, or at least what has gone the way that he promised? Before people say, "Obama has to work with Congress" or anything to that affect, he shouldn't have promised it. He's not an idiot, thus I highly doubt that he thought he could get in office and do whatever he wanted. Furthermore, as a politician, it is his job to get these things done. It's actually in his job description.
Sadly, the compromises are only leaving much worse off. If he can't pass a particular policy or legislation, then he should have either left it alone or not made the type of compromise that screws us even more. It just shows either a lack of spine or an ulterior motive. One of the two, maybe both.
--airspoon
reply posted on 9-12-2010 @ 01:08 PM by chrismarco
What are you talking about what has he done right?
The$4.5 billion bill approved by the House 264-157 would also try to cut down on greasy foods and extra calories by giving the government power to decide what kinds of foods may be sold in vending machines and lunch lines. The bill could even limit frequent school bake sales and fundraisers that give kids extra chances to eat brownies and pizza.
The first lady said in a statement after the vote that she was “thrilled” about House passage. She called the bill “a groundbreaking piece of bipartisan legislation that will significantly improve the quality of meals that children receive at school.”
and
"Bake sales and other school sponsored fundraisers that sell unhealthy foods could be limited under the legislation, which only allows them if they are infrequent. The Agriculture Department would determine how often they could be held. Public health advocates pushed for the language, saying they are concerned about daily or weekly fundraisers that allow children to substitute junk food for a healthier meal.
The bill would increase eligibility and accessibility for school lunches by using Medicaid and census data and provide money to serve more than 20 million additional after-school meals annually in all 50 states. Most states now only serve after-school snacks."
The legislation would increase the amount of money schools are reimbursed for free lunches by 6 cents a meal, a priority for schools that say they don’t have enough money to serve the meals.
So schools that have a hard time affording school lunches can get reimbursed 6 cents. So by eating leaner (better) cuts of meat=more money the school that was having difficulty keeping up their menu will have to spend more money to eat better but they will get an additional 6 cents per meal. How the hell is that going to help them afford the food now I can see if they kept that same food requirements. It's also nice to see that they will be drawing from Medicaid..that's just ducky. And it's only going to cost us 4.5 billion...that's what they say...pretty confident it will turn out to be more than that..and please allow amnesty for the children because that wont increase classroom sizes and I'm sure if you increase classroom sizes you wont need more lunches...god the government is throwing around these billion figures like their nothing...and yes I agree with you OP Obama stinks !
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The$4.5 billion bill approved by the House 264-157 would also try to cut down on greasy foods and extra calories by giving the government power to decide what kinds of foods may be sold in vending machines and lunch lines. The bill could even limit frequent school bake sales and fundraisers that give kids extra chances to eat brownies and pizza.
The first lady said in a statement after the vote that she was “thrilled” about House passage. She called the bill “a groundbreaking piece of bipartisan legislation that will significantly improve the quality of meals that children receive at school.”
and
"Bake sales and other school sponsored fundraisers that sell unhealthy foods could be limited under the legislation, which only allows them if they are infrequent. The Agriculture Department would determine how often they could be held. Public health advocates pushed for the language, saying they are concerned about daily or weekly fundraisers that allow children to substitute junk food for a healthier meal.
The bill would increase eligibility and accessibility for school lunches by using Medicaid and census data and provide money to serve more than 20 million additional after-school meals annually in all 50 states. Most states now only serve after-school snacks."
The legislation would increase the amount of money schools are reimbursed for free lunches by 6 cents a meal, a priority for schools that say they don’t have enough money to serve the meals.
So schools that have a hard time affording school lunches can get reimbursed 6 cents. So by eating leaner (better) cuts of meat=more money the school that was having difficulty keeping up their menu will have to spend more money to eat better but they will get an additional 6 cents per meal. How the hell is that going to help them afford the food now I can see if they kept that same food requirements. It's also nice to see that they will be drawing from Medicaid..that's just ducky. And it's only going to cost us 4.5 billion...that's what they say...pretty confident it will turn out to be more than that..and please allow amnesty for the children because that wont increase classroom sizes and I'm sure if you increase classroom sizes you wont need more lunches...god the government is throwing around these billion figures like their nothing...and yes I agree with you OP Obama stinks !
Link
edit on 9-12-2010 by chrismarco because: Broken Link
reply posted on 9-12-2010 @ 01:25 PM by airspoon
reply to post by chrismarco
Are you not capable of making those choices for yourself? Do you really need a government to make those choices for you? What's wrong with you? Aren't you an adult? Can you not take care of yourself? A nanny state is not what we need and if history is anything to go by, we can see that they always wind up in failure, after the populations have been dragged through the tyrannical mud.
I find it appaling that some people would rather a government make choices for them, a government by the way who clearly doesn't hold their best interests to begin with. Are people really so lazy or immature that they need a government (often run by corrupt individuals) to decide for them, what they should and shouldn't do?
Wow, that kind of ideology is the very anti-thesis of Americanism, liberty and freedom. I don't know about you, but I know what's best for me and my family, better than anyone, especially a government run by elite individuals who just after more of money, labor and submission. I'm an adult, thus I can and should make my own decisions. Not one single person on this Earth was born with a special charter from our creator (whomever you believe it/him/her to be), thus each man and women has an equal right to choice, so long as that choice doesn;t inhibit anyone else's choices.
If you aren;t capable of taking care of yourself or deciding what is best for, then hire someone to do it or go to prison. However, that ignorance should not be forced upon those who can.
--airspoon
Are you not capable of making those choices for yourself? Do you really need a government to make those choices for you? What's wrong with you? Aren't you an adult? Can you not take care of yourself? A nanny state is not what we need and if history is anything to go by, we can see that they always wind up in failure, after the populations have been dragged through the tyrannical mud.
I find it appaling that some people would rather a government make choices for them, a government by the way who clearly doesn't hold their best interests to begin with. Are people really so lazy or immature that they need a government (often run by corrupt individuals) to decide for them, what they should and shouldn't do?
Wow, that kind of ideology is the very anti-thesis of Americanism, liberty and freedom. I don't know about you, but I know what's best for me and my family, better than anyone, especially a government run by elite individuals who just after more of money, labor and submission. I'm an adult, thus I can and should make my own decisions. Not one single person on this Earth was born with a special charter from our creator (whomever you believe it/him/her to be), thus each man and women has an equal right to choice, so long as that choice doesn;t inhibit anyone else's choices.
If you aren;t capable of taking care of yourself or deciding what is best for, then hire someone to do it or go to prison. However, that ignorance should not be forced upon those who can.
--airspoon
reply posted on 9-12-2010 @ 01:43 PM by ldyserenity
reply to post by airspoon
Great is it now time to send the letter out to OBAMA that says :
Dear Obama,
You are a F(#^$%*) A$$HAT...
Yours Truly,
ONE PISSED OFF AMERICAN
Great is it now time to send the letter out to OBAMA that says :
Dear Obama,
You are a F(#^$%*) A$$HAT...
Yours Truly,
ONE PISSED OFF AMERICAN
edit on 9-12-2010 by ldyserenity because: spelling
reply posted on 9-12-2010 @ 02:29 PM by XPLodER
reply to post by airspoon
the saying let them eat their cake
has a special meaning in this case
when the top 1% forgets the bottom
society callapses
mabys obams plan all along?
xploder
the saying let them eat their cake
has a special meaning in this case
when the top 1% forgets the bottom
society callapses
mabys obams plan all along?
xploder
The lowest paid are not taxed to death federally or by state as the middle class are here. They dont face another hike ( quinn wants a 50%) in PP tax.
Our cities are taxing us to death.. we just got a "wheel tax".. if you own a car you have to buy a sticker to use the streets. You get outrageous
fines if you dont display the sticker. Thats on top of the other taxes we pay to drive on the streets. Our energy is going up another 10% over the
raise last year. Its a real CF here. reply posted on 9-12-2010 @ 11:59 PM by whatukno
reply to post by jjkenobi
Ok, you say this:
And then, you refute your own statement by saying this:
Admitting that the poor pay taxes, now it's either or, either they pay taxes or they don't, 3% on 20,000.00 is 600.00 a year, or divide that out, it's about 12 bucks a week, well, if you are earning 20,000.00, 600.00 is a big chunk out of that, leaving you 19,400.00, minus the state and maybe local taxes, minus the taxes that everyone pays when they purchase things, minus having to live off of whatever is left.
So yea, the poor do pay taxes and it does matter.
But you know what? I won't mind paying that in taxes, doesn't bother me that much, I only make about 14k a year, but hell, I am not gonna whine about paying a little more in taxes because I know, that in the end, someone is going to have to pay. And if the rich or middle class aren't capable of sacrificing a little to get this country back on a more fiscally sound footing, then it's up to the rest of us to carry the burden.
Ok, you say this:
Poor people don't pay taxes!!!!
And then, you refute your own statement by saying this:
Sorry, the bottom 50% of American workers pay just 3% of the federal taxes which is miniscule. And if you're in the top 50% then you aren't poor. Just because you don't have much money left over after paying your mortgage, car payment(s), cell phone bill, internet bill, etc does not mean you are poor.
Admitting that the poor pay taxes, now it's either or, either they pay taxes or they don't, 3% on 20,000.00 is 600.00 a year, or divide that out, it's about 12 bucks a week, well, if you are earning 20,000.00, 600.00 is a big chunk out of that, leaving you 19,400.00, minus the state and maybe local taxes, minus the taxes that everyone pays when they purchase things, minus having to live off of whatever is left.
So yea, the poor do pay taxes and it does matter.
But you know what? I won't mind paying that in taxes, doesn't bother me that much, I only make about 14k a year, but hell, I am not gonna whine about paying a little more in taxes because I know, that in the end, someone is going to have to pay. And if the rich or middle class aren't capable of sacrificing a little to get this country back on a more fiscally sound footing, then it's up to the rest of us to carry the burden.
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12/10/2010 by whatukno because: (no reason given)
reply posted on 12-12-2010 @ 07:38 AM by W3RLIED2
reply to post by jjkenobi
I would like to know what fantasy land your living in. There's a lot more construction workers, factory/assembly line workers, and blue collar office and hospital workers among other working class people than there is people in the top percentile you speak of. People who make millions pay higher taxes to be sure but the country is run off the back of the working poor.
Obama is a effing joke. He couldn't run a coffee stand let alone our country. The news coming out of DC gets worse by the minute. It's time to get these bastards out of their comfy seat in positions of power and burn congress to the ground.
How on earth can you raise taxes in the people suffering the most? The president should be ashamed of his actions and so should the entire governing body. These people are gambling with your and mine futures. They should all be ousted.
I would like to know what fantasy land your living in. There's a lot more construction workers, factory/assembly line workers, and blue collar office and hospital workers among other working class people than there is people in the top percentile you speak of. People who make millions pay higher taxes to be sure but the country is run off the back of the working poor.
Obama is a effing joke. He couldn't run a coffee stand let alone our country. The news coming out of DC gets worse by the minute. It's time to get these bastards out of their comfy seat in positions of power and burn congress to the ground.
How on earth can you raise taxes in the people suffering the most? The president should be ashamed of his actions and so should the entire governing body. These people are gambling with your and mine futures. They should all be ousted.
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