Your thoughts on GENERAL STRIKE,would it work,is now the time?

General Strike
A stoppage of work by a substantial proportion of workers in a number of industries in an organized endeavour to achieve economic or political objectives. A strike covering only one industry cannot properly be called a general strike.

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I'd like to concentrate on America and I'd like to hear ats's thoughts on this matter.

Of course we'd have to have a feasable list of demands and this is what I'd like to hear from my fellow countrymen and women.

A: Would you participate?

B: What would you hope to achieve or what would be your demands?

I'll start with one. I want the central bank to belong to and be governed by the people and all profits therof will belong to the people. I'd also want to eliminate corporate donations to political positions or those seeking office.

I'll leave the rest up to you,I'd love to hear your thoughts.

This is in no way a recruitment plea this is for discussion only.

reply to post by nickoli


I think that is the only way that the working class will wake up and see that we truely are the backbone of society. The rich need us to perform many many things they wouldn't even have a prayer of doing themself. If the working man did this for a week, they would see they have the power to literally shut down the world, and they do indeed deserve a fair share, a decent living, not slaving 7 days a week just to afford rent and food and a few shiny trinkets.

Yes my goal would be of course to stick to the constitution or rather return to the constitution. I want a government of the people,by the people, for the people.

The attack on the middle class must stop,we must be given back our hope or far worse things than a general strike will occur.

Note to politicians,its not our hope to work untill the day we die,retirement should be attainable while were young enough to still walk.

A: Yes

B: Rein in the banks,abolish central banking,stop corporate donations to politicians,abolish lobbying politicians completely,reduce corporate charter to 4 years and require application for renewal of charter with the amount of good they do for the general public topping the list of qualification for renewal.

When you say abolish lobbying politicians do you mean all lobbying or just corporate lobbying. In your view would the politician still be available to the opinions of the electorate?

Edit to add,those are some very good ideas,I would support all of those.

reply to post by nickoli
As close to completely abolishing lobbying as possible,.

General strike would never work in America. There aren't enough unionized workers, and Americans generally don't care enough to protest.

They'd rather sit on the couch and wonder who's going to get booted off their favorite reality show than take an interest in social problems or politics.

reply to post by babybunnies
A general strike does not involve labor unions.

It means that everyone just quits doing anything until they get the changes they demand.

Or those who they want to make those changes sit down for a pow-wow.

Still won't ever happen,people would never agree on what they disagree with about anything.

Well this thread should serve as a gauge as to are the people in the mind for such a thing. I seem to get a general feeling of disgust from my fellow countrymen as I engage them daily. I feel if it were marketed correctly and put together right,it may be time for this in America.

I am more than ready to participate,I am actually surprised that such a movement hasnt taken place already but then again maybe they're happy with bread and circus's. Such a shame too,just throw it away,throw all your power away,kneel and kiss the ring slaves. Sickening.

As for me....well,its already been said.

A: Would you participate?

Yes.

B: What would you hope to achieve or what would be your demands?

• I like the way the U.S. government was initially based upon. Freedom, Liberty, Justice, and Constitutionality.

• Today the government has become too large and too powerful. I want to see less government encroachment into our personal/private lives.

• I want the Patriot Act, Obama Care, and the Department of Homeland Security revoked.

• I want State sovereignty to trump federal law.

• I want tougher justice for rapists, child molesters, and murderers. I want these crimes to be punished by death penalty instead of life in prison on the tax payer's expense. I hear the argument execution is more costly than imprisonment. I had no idea rope for hanging or blades for beheadings were so expensive....

• I want to make it illegal for the victim of a crime to be sued by the criminal.

• I want to put a one year maximum limit on all welfare programs. I am not your baby's daddy, stop making me pay for your living.

• I want to limit Presidential Executive Power. No Executive Order shall limit or restrict the rights of U.S. citizens, nor conflict with the Constitution. Any desire to do so must be brought to Congress and given time for the citizens to voice their opinions to the elected officials.

• I want the U.S. to produce more and import less.

• Disband the Federal Reserve. I want all U.S. currency to be coined and valued by Congress, and backed with gold, silver, or any worthy commodities.

• Let the people vote on major and controversial issues on a state by state basis.

• I want affirmative action type policies revoked. Education and employment should be decided based on worth, intelligence, and accomplishment, not based on race.

• Freedom of speech. No more lawsuits for what people say. If your feelings are hurt, go home and cry.

reply to post by Sahabi


I wish I could give you more stars. Thanks for your input,bravo.

reply to post by Sahabi


Very good points, I stand behind them all. Another issue I would like to bring up is the wars.... End them, I am sure the working class would be behind that one as well, seeing as how it is the middle and lower class out there getting killed so some already super rich can profit more.

reply to post by TKDRL


Yes ending the wars is a very good point. And closing alot of foriegn bases with all savings put towards the deficit.

I'm tired of only being able to effect change by being able to vote and then the people you vote for fall back on their promises,this too should be a crime. Remember this little gem? Just how many voted for Obama on this promise alone? Truth be told he probably wouldnt even be in office if he had not stood up there and made this outright lie. Liar in Chief.

In a modern society, with half-decent decent human rights, I tend to deplore all strikes for being what they really are (organised "economic sabotage") and therefore all strikers, for being selfishly "unpatriotic". To me strikes are like terrorism, just without the murder (although had London’s fire brigade fulfilled their threats to strike on bonfire night, then this would have been close).
www.bbc.co.uk...

If you want to bring a government down then: Tackle the parasite at it's personal interaction with You: Stop paying them tax!!! For this to happen you also need lots of people, in an organised, (kinda well) regimented effort. In the UK there are 83,000 prison places, and a population of 60 million i.e. enough spaces for 0.138%. Of course government can always create concentration camps, but it could easily fall on its knees, as it did so.

And Unlike a general strike) everyone wins, for every moment it lasts, and so the longer it goes on, the more people will owe in tax, and therefore the more the government will need to reach some sort of tax compromise.
Unlike a strike (which gradually suffers evermore, picket line, crossers i.e. “scabs”) the longer it goes on, the more workers it will attract, and the more likely the government-police are likely to do something that is brutal, and which therefore causes an even bigger backlash (this is how revolutions have happened, such as the story of Ireland’s Independence from Britain).

In my view real Industrial strikes (sabotage) best belongs to the 18th century when you had children on their hands and knees in coal mines. Also back then our economy was more dependant on a limited range of industries.

I wonder if the real reason why certain strikes (and other forms of socialism) are allowed today, has nothing to do with democracy & liberty, and everything to de with government deliberately, retarding living standards, i.e. "the pace of change" as a form of control? In George Orwell’s 1984 the government did it through never ending warfare. But in ours, its generally Marxist ideas (well known to oppose what they “intend”).

I guess I can see how you would view a general strike as a socialist movement but I see it more as a means of peaceful dissent in order to bring about a change in a tyrannical government that has strayed too far from its charter. (constitution).

I wouldnt view it as revolution as much as restoration. I certainly wouldnt view it as a coup attempt so much as a means to shock the current gov into reality.

It is apparent you are young.

People work to earn money to live off of.

With the large number of unemployed that there is a strike would be just a reason to fire all the strikers and hire those unemployed to replace them..

Did not actually think it all the way through before you created this thread now did you?

reply to post by Oneolddude


Maybe you are happy to work all your life to "live", there are those of us that disagree with that crap. Working 6 days a week until you croak is not living, it is slavery.

reply to post by Oneolddude


Quite the contrary my friend,I'am well into my 40s and I been working since I was a child,hard work mind you.

Heres the deal in case you been asleep the last 30 yrs.

I've just had my entire life savings stolen from me by the banksters and the gov in colusion,and I dont like it not one little bit. If thats not bad enough we got politicians playing politics instead of rolling up their sleaves and righting the ship. Well if they cant get their act together maybe they need throwed out on their collective butts.

There will be nobody walking off the street to do my job,its very technical and takes years of on the job training to grasp. Even the owner of the company I work for cannot grasp my job,so I have no worries there.

What I had in mind was a week long general strike just to sort of fire a shot across the bow. No threats no violence just a quiet week at home by most workers,I wouldnt condone essential services joining at this time,firefighters,cops,medics etc.

I can tell you this,were it not for raising children I would have done quit the game, but sadly I must continue to bend over and take it for their sake.

Sooner or later were gonna be rioting here just like Greece and Ireland and other countries,except here,well here it'll be much,much worse. Americans dont riot peacefully,they burn # down, sometimes entire cities. Thats what I'd hope to prevent. Either way there is going to be revolt, coming soon to a city near you.

But surely you can see why OneOldDude mistook you for being young nickoli? It’s so idealistic to think that economic sabotage, is going to do anything but drive a few more Americans out of business-abroad, provide jobs to picket line crossers, and cause the government to privately laugh as they can now blame you-them for their mistakes, all in the knowledge plenty of angry MSM indoctrinated Americans would love to put you in their FEMA camps (and that’s only if you managed to worry the real forces of government, even just a little).

Only a Taxpayers Strike, combined with striking-sabotage of businesses that insisted on paying their tax’s has any hope. So a strike does have a place, but it needs to be combined with something good for the economy (i.e. tax breaks). As only then do you have BOTH the arrows of Politics, and Economics pointing in the direction, of peaceful revolution.

reply to post by Liberal1984


And basically this is what I stated as a goal in my op.

I'll start with one. I want the central bank to belong to and be governed by the people and all profits therof will belong to the people.

That would repudiate an income tax which is unconstitutional and the instrument that keeps us enslaved through fiat currency based on debt. We cant pay the debt,all the existing dollars in the world are less than the debt.

Basically a stoppage of work would be a tax strike as the majority of taxes I pay are based on my income.