Fitna & Warning to America

Fitna




Warning to America




“Oh Misoir what happened to you? Now you are some raging anti-Muslim!”

Pause. I am not Anti-Muslim as I do not hate Muslims and I respect them as equal citizens of this country and I would be honored to fight alongside them in arms. The truth is I hate the ideology of Islam. An ideology of segregation, separatism, totalitarianism, and anti-democracy, I cannot and will not support such a violent and subversive ideology as Islam.

Hitler was condemned for murdering millions of innocent people and we could have stopped Hitler from ever making it to the position of power he reached. We could have saved the Jews, the sick, the handicapped, the Roma, we could have saved them and the millions of innocent civilians and soldiers if the people would have risen up against his violent rhetoric and smashed Nazism and Fascism before it could take hold.

We are allowing and even encouraging the death of our entire culture, our entire civilization our ancestors fought and died to build. For centuries our ancestors fought countless wars all in the name of what they loved, honored, and respected. A nation is not just a strip of land in artificial geographic political borders it is more than that.

A nation is a group of people united together with a love for their country, for their fellow citizens, and most of all continuing their culture. A nation is a culture, if you remove a nations culture you remove the nation. With the increasing multiculturalism being forced upon us Westerners by the Social Liberals and the Globalist elite they are stripping away our national identity and everything our ancestors fought and died for.

I do not agree with Cultural Relativism I do not think all cultures are equal, some cultures are better than others and who am I to say this? Which culture permits killing their own family for honor? Which culture encourages pedophilia? Which culture teaches to hate people who aren’t their own? Which culture espouses totalitarianism and violence? That is not the Western culture of Christianity, Judaism, and Humanism.

You can’t kill your child for leaving Christianity! You can’t rape your wife because she should serve you in Judaism! You can’t marry 5 year olds in Humanism! But you can in Islam!

Call me a bigot, call be a right-wing lunatic, call me paranoid, call me politically incorrect, call me Islamophobic, tell me I am a bad person, tell me I am xenophobic. And you know what I will tell ask you in return?

So you think when they gain the majority population they will leave you to be free if your Atheist? You think they will allow you to voice your opinion if you’re a Socialist? You think they will not persecute you for not being one of them? You think they will let you have your freedom of speech? You think any of that will belong to you when they become the majority?

Ask yourself if one day in the future when your kids or grand kids are praying to Allah if being tolerant to different cultures was the right idea. Ask yourself that when you can’t get a driver’s license because you are not Muslim. Was being tolerant and progressive really worth destroying everything your forefathers fought and died for worth being open minded and accepting.

Muslims have a right to their culture and that culture belongs in the Middle East and other Islamic nations. We have a right to our culture and it belongs in the West. They can immigrate to the West all they want but the rules must be strict;

1. They must assimilate and accept our culture as their culture,
2. They must consider themselves loyal (Americans) first and Muslims second,
3. They must accept that if they commit street violence/terror they acknowledge that they will be deported immediately.

If they can accept the terms and become Americans and abide by our laws and assimilate into our culture then there is no problem but if they think they can keep their old culture as their culture in this country and separate from everyone non-Muslim then they are not welcome.

As for the Koran I do believe it is the same as Mein Kampf but our nations believe in freedom and in the spirit of freedom all books should be legal including Mein Kampf and the Koran. However we must also crack down and prosecute any Cleric who dares to defy our laws or incites violence or hatred.

All we ask for is peace and tranquility and to keep our own cultures. What is so wrong with wanting to have a place to call your own and to live among people that share the same values as yourself?

Great thread.

As I've said before, the truth cannot be sugar coated. It's there and it's hard to hear. However, it's the truth none the less. People in this day and age are so afraid of being called politically incorrect. And it's killing us. Not just America, but Europe as well. Even the Orient is feeling it.

Disliking Islam because of it's political views isn't racist. It isn't bigoted. It isn't ignorant. Just because it's hard to hear doesn't mean it's any less true.

C'mon people, drop those PC glasses you've got and take a look at the reality. I'm sure many of those who defend Islam hasn't spent any time at all around Islam at all. They just feel like they need to "defend the little guy". Well guess what folks, they're not the little guy anymore!

Some would think that wilders is an extremist...but ...i must admit, what he said has a lot of reasoning to it.
Those who dont live in Europe cannot imagine what he's talking about, but the taking over of Europe is taking place, its a cold hard fact.

Spain bends over backwards to appease these people, theres a mosques everywhere, here are streets where nobody but muslims live. You can walk for hours without finding a Spaniard.

It provokes a lot of thought.

2 replies and 7 flags? Are people afraid to confront Islam?

I went to an Islamic prayer service last friday as an observer for my Islamic studies class. I was greeted with As-Salāmu `Alaykum, which means peace be upon you, by every single individual. Had a great talk with the first person I met. He said that it was his first time back in a year or so and that he had been attending other mosques. He said he found small groups of people with hatred in their hearts and he simply said, "You don't find that in the Quran." He went on to say that we are all brothers and we are to love each other.

During the sermon the imam talked about a "system of knowledge" and how evil has put this so called "system" around us in order to confuse each person. It's our goal to break through the confusion, unite, and live in peace and harmony. He went on to speak about Christians and the Jews, or the people of the book as they say. Everything good, not one bad word out of his mouth. He actually went on to read a few bible verses, and they sounded almost like they came out of the Quran, meaning he was simply showing that there are similarities in which we can work together.

At the end, I was personally thanked by the imam in front of everyone, in which that time if anyone was unable to greet me before, they did at this time.

With that said, I work with Iraqi refugees and the same Islamic center's Sunday school. You are literally speaking of small groups of Islam, they are called "fundamentalists." I Challenge you to go to an Islamic Center and speak to the people there. Islam does not, does not... talk about killing others, period. Jihad's original meaning from the Quran meant the "inner" battle between oneself and evil in order to help humanity in the right way. Then the Muslim Brotherhood, eventually Al-Quida and Taliban (CIA) spread the (Other) new Islamic teachings. (not real Muslims)

I love the fact that you spread this nonsense, you sound like Pope Urban at Clermont over 10 centuries ago.

Love the 3rd video... "Israel fights for All of us".... seriously? no really?

And before you judge me, I thought I tell you that I'm a caucasian American with no religious affliation.

Edit* I would also like to state that yes, there are a few problems the religion has to face considering they have no seperation of church and state. I am only challenging your views on their so called "hate" for people who do not worship Allah.

reply to post by Misoir


I am not afraid to comment.

For once, Misoir, I agree with you. I know, I cannot believe it either. Star and flag given.

Long gone are the days of being able to state what you believe and also, to stand up for it. The world is slowly being "radicalized." By this I mean, we are becoming soft. We are being taught not to say things because it might offend someone or something. Well, what happens when that someone or something does not take the same route and then takes us? Where will we be? I will tell you...in a court of Sharia Law, if we do not watch ourselves. Europe will be the first to fall...then, it will swim its way over here if we do not stop it. Get ready...it is coming.

Edited to add: And, it is not Islam that we need to worry about...it is the fanatics...the ones that believe everyone should, "believe." You know, the ones that are being shown to wage war on us...the machine. Muslims that I have met are quite peaceful...but just like the Christians in the time of the crusades, every group has its problems.

reply to post by higns07


Apparently in the Koran Muslims are permitted to lie in a society of non-Muslims.

They could have been lying to you quite easily. But remember the they could also have been people who are really nice and really caring, maybe the Cleric interpreted the Koran differently than others. While that is not permitted some of them do it anyways and for those Clerics who are honest and good I give thanks.

reply to post by Misoir


The greatest part about understanding Islamic faith is to understand the people and it's history. If you have time, I would read the book Peace be Upon You by Zachary Karabell. It talks about fourteen centuries of Muslim, Christian, and Jewish conflict and cooperation. One can easily read this and see that we've had many years of unification, but for some reason many people forget this.

Another book you can read is Karen Armstrong's book, Islam: A Short History. Pages 164-172 talk about fundamentalism.

Fundamentalists nearly always feel assaulted by the liberal or modernizing establishment, and their views and behavior become more extreme as a result.

See the people that you speak of are fundamentalists, not Muslims in general. These people are the ones, like the Muslim Brotherhood in the past, feel threatened by modernizing their society. Now, I will state that some people are becoming more aware of the United States and how it aides Suadi Arabia and Israel. I do not want to derail this thread with that, but it plays into part why these people have a grudge against us. Remember though, these are small groups of individuals within this faith.

I started working with this center through my University and class. I've attended Jumu'Ah, worked with Iraqi refugees, and children at Sunday school. These people are some of the nicest people that have touched my heart. Therefore, I challenge you again to broaden your horizons, speak to these people, and you might find some surprising results. Once again, I have no religion affliation.. I am a man who simply loves people and leaves this stereotypical judgment crap at the door.

reply to post by exile1981


I see that Muslims uneducated in the religion are making more problems by the day. I'll get to work on presenting a good thread to hopefully shut some of them up. But for now:

The Qur'an was not revealed in full at one single moment, nor in the chronological order we see it written today. Each individual verse was revealed separately throughout the span of 22 years. Each verse was revealed at specific moments to address specific issues. All of the Jiahd and killing infidel verses were revealed during battles, and only related to the openly hostile enemies at that time.

Don't believe me about Muhammad and true Islamic Peace with non-believers? Simply research the Islamic Army, and the Islamic Nation while Muhammad was alive. Muhammad and the Muslims only went to war with people that were openly hostile to them, or were the military / political allies of those hostile enemies. Muhammad and the Muslims NEVER attacked any peaceful people. In fact, Muhammad had numerous treaties with non-Muslims.

There is a whole branch of Islamic Study called "Tafsir." Tafsir answers the "who, what, when, where, and why" about each specific verse, putting it all in proper context. Ignorant / Extremist Muslims fail to study Tafsir and just quote out of context to fit their hate, anger, and political ideologies. Anti-Islamists do the same. There is no Extremist Muslim versus a Moderate Muslim. There are only Educated Muslims versus Ignorant Muslims.

For a bit more in-depth understanding, please check out my replies in these 2 threads:

• True Islamic Jihad and It's Beauty
• To the Ignorant Masses Stop Defending Islam
• Muslim Demographics
• Tafsir

A movie made by a racist who currently can't keep his political party of convicts and trouble makers under control.... Nice...

Yes, it's all true, There are Muslim extremists who use the Koran as justification to slaughter heathens who are not of the faith, Read the Koran, it's all in there - "cut off their heads, make holy war" etc.
Read the Old testament of the Bible and you find the same thing - "cut them down and bash the children's brains against the city walls". Not just murder but incest, child rape and nearly everything bad you find with fundamentalist interpretations of the Koran.
Wilders has some very good points and unfortunately Europe has done a horrible job of managing immigration much as the US has done.
Religion is NOT the problem. It's the people who take it literally and use it to justify terrorism and political ends,
What justification does the CIA have for all the deaths they have caused? -
Nationalism, one more extremist religious cult.

reply to post by Asktheanimals

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Yes, it's all true, There are Muslim extremists who use the Koran as justification to slaughter heathens who are not of the faith, Read the Koran, it's all in there - "cut off their heads, make holy war" etc.
Read the Old testament of the Bible and you find the same thing - "cut them down and bash the children's brains against the city walls". Not just murder but incest, child rape and nearly everything bad you find with fundamentalist interpretations of the Koran.

Just one video to support that.

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by higns07

 

Apparently in the Koran Muslims are permitted to lie in a society of non-Muslims.

They could have been lying to you quite easily. But remember the they could also have been people who are really nice and really caring, maybe the Cleric interpreted the Koran differently than others. While that is not permitted some of them do it anyways and for those Clerics who are honest and good I give thanks.

I'm sure I've seen similar ideas in another religion's teachings...
Hmmm, now what was that other religion again???

reply to post by backinblack


How am I supposed to know what, if any other religion says that?

I don't have a religion and I am Agnostic, no Fundamentalism from my end.