Originally posted by MrAndy
Hey there, I am also a novice in this OBE business and I have been really working on it over a year now. In my limited experience, I would suggest
that the best time to attempt it is right after you have woken up and before you have moved too much.
I've heard something akin to that as well.
I know one book (that I never really get more than one chapter through) that advocates waking up after sleeping for five to six hours then try OBEing
or lucid dreaming due to the way sleep cycles work and taking advantage of natural states. I've also heard the morning recommendation and to do
certain exercises in the morning.
The truth is though that I just am not a morning person. Once I wake up, I can't continue lying down and I certainly can't do other stuff because my
entire mood is blase due to there being work or classes after waking up at 5 or 6 AM. It's just me really, but mornings never work for me.
Originally posted by MrAndy
I am interested in finding out if it is a real event. I can't even find a solid consensus on what an OBE actually is. Some people say I am in the
astral plane, that I can visit Mars or something. Others say I just become a ghost and kinda float around without a body seeing the world move
normally. Some people say I need a spirit guide, or I will meet my guardian angel or something, it gets really confusing. What most people describe
just sounds like a lucid dream, err I guess that would be a half-lucid dream.
I consider myself a skeptical individual. I am not convinced it's 100% "real" as in the astral plane either.
I always want to find out first-hand though and there have been some recommended tests to check the objectivity of the environment once one is
experienced enough. Some tests involve cards (Robert Bruce mentioned such a technique that I intend to try if ever actually can have an OBE, as
opposed to to a semi-OBE) and others involve shared dreaming or things of that nature which would objectively prove (to me, given enough success) that
dreaming is not an individual thing entirely and hence science does have it wrong there. But I don't enter with those assumptions.
I call it OBE but it does not have to be that, just mental olympics, I don't know. Science recognizes elements of the sleep process (like the falling
sensation known as the hypnic jerk and the existence of sleep paralysis and hypnagogic imagery) but oneirology is still much debated.
Though I tend not to rely on anecdotal evidence too heavily, I have experienced the "exit sensations" so many talk about so I am 100% sure there is
truth in that respects. Sadly I have had only a few experiences where my dreams were so lucid as to evoke a "real" feeling. Those times are never
from a waking state though and always involve me waking up in my dreams...so it is inherently biased and soon I lose that state of awareness and drift
back into the chaos of the dream.
And yes, people can only be experiencing lucid dreams. The mind can be very convincing in terms of perception of reality and everything else. The only
real way to separate mind from reality (which if the theories of the astral plane are right, is really hard given the nature of the dimension itself)
is to either train your mind to be so aware as to maintain a lucid state and then explore and/or to find some objective element in those dreams that
would be impossible otherwise, like shared dreaming or statistically improbable predictions of card suits/values, things like that. You'll likely
never prove it to others, but to prove to oneself that there is more to consciousness within the body is pretty much the most amazing thing one can
gain knowledge of. Not "prove" as in "have faith" which most people do, I mean actually be convinced of it due to some evidence that is almost
impossible to be a coincidence and can possibly be replicated by yourself.
Originally posted by MrAndy
But some say that they can see and hear things in an OBE that they otherwise would not be able to. That's really what I am going for, I want that
evidence that supports the idea that this is not just dreaming. So far I have had four out-of-body experiences. At least one was definitely a dream,
because the evidence I thought I had gathered wasn't true at all. It's possible that they were all dreams, although they felt real.
Only in one of them do I recall the moment I actually left my body, I just kind of twisted out of it. I also heard the "whooshing" sound that some
people describe. I was able to float around freely and touch walls but I couldn't see anything. When I tried to open my eyes I was just back in my
body. Who knows. If nothing else, then at least all these meditative techniques I have learned have been good for me.
I hate that "dream evidence" for me too as it's all so subjective and disappoints me upon waking. I have had some VERY vivid lucid dreams in places
that very much mimic my room (with some elements added or missing, though even if it were an objective realm such things could happen given mental
impressions on it and a disheveled state of mind) and have experienced some sensations that make reality's seem trite in a very "concrete"
environment. The sad thing is that those are random occurrences with no pattern aside from happening randomly to me and that they usually go from very
vivid back to a normal dream so I have trouble separating the two upon waking; continuity of consciousness is difficult. On the bright side, I am sure
when I practice more concentration and meditation exercises, I will be able to eventually get a hang of conscious dream entry. That's really hard
though, but what is reassuring to me is that when I practiced these types of things with this goal in mind most significantly, I actually had a lot
more experiences than usual and was a lot more aware of the sleep process in general.
At this point in time, I can identify consciously when my mind is in the hypnagogic state seeing random images. Sleep is very close to that time,
sadly I can't stay conscious past that point. An exercise to get used to entering that state (though I do it without this a lot of the time) is to go
to sleep with one arm resting on your bed elbow up so that your hand arm is raised. As you enter the hypnagogic state the arm will fall and wake you
somewhat so you get used to entering that state and recognizing it.
And yeah, a lot of the OBE stuff is notoriously touchy. I have experienced blackness as well and when you try to do something you'll either end up in
your body or dreaming lol. In fact I have problems exiting probably because I can't relax well and when I am well enough to exit I'm usually already