Anarchists Protest Lack Of Government Spending

Originally posted by Shminkee Pinkee
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It's not about 'getting everything for free' it's about protesting cuts in education leading to the rise of already high tuition fees at universities here in the UK. I had an Anarchy sign on my guitar when I was a teenager, because I liked the Sex Pistols, didn't mean I was an Anarchist. The media always focuses on something out of context so we don't see the big picture, the majority of protesters were peaceful.

If the government raises the cost of tuition fess in the UK it will mean less people will be able to study in the forseeable future because they haven't been able to save enough to go, which could cause a 'brain drain', and higher unemployment as those who did not go to University will be hunting for non-existent jobs, So while The ConDem Government thinks it is making cuts to kill the the national debt, it may end up increasing it, who knows. Valuable public services such as Health, Education & Emergency services should not be touched.

They also want the right to challenge and possibly remove the Liberal Democrat MPs who joined with the Tories in the Coalition for going back on their promise that they would not raise tuition fees. I wanted the Coalition to work, even though I have never voted Tory and never will, I have voted Labour and Liberal Democrat once in protest over the Iraq War, the idea of two opposing political parties working together is a positive move for Westminster, both Parties in theory, should keep each other in check, unfortunately the honeymoon period is over and the cracks are starting to show, and I now have no idea who I will be voting for at the next general election, could be Paid Cymru at this rate. There is more to this story than just angry students spraying graffiti. :-) Peace

Protesting budget cuts to education is the same as protesting people being allowed to keep their own money.

Let us not be confused by the terms "protesting budget cuts" when in reality they are protesting the cessation of violent theft.

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Yeah, you deserve the value now so that your and other's children can be slaves to the state.

Oh, aren't you such a wonderful human being. Right up there with one of your idols, Mao.

All praise Mao.

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Isn't this forum for US political madness. All this stuff is in GB.

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I suppose you are entitled to your opinion

Originally posted by mnemeth1
I always find humor in rioting anarchists who are mad that government isn’t spending enough money, imposing price controls and rationing products.

REAL anarchist protest the existance of the state. Not what its spending. The state is a parasite when the elites use it to oppress the people.

The Telegraph re ports:

Student tuition fee protest turns violent as Tory headquarters evacuated.

A demonstration against tuition fees by tens of thousands of students and lecturers descended into violence today when a group of protesters smashed their way into the headquarters of the Conservative party…

Rocks, wooden banners, eggs, rotten fruit and shards of glass were thrown at police officers trying to beat back the crowd with metal batons and riot shields.

Inside the building, windows were kicked in, desks and chairs were overturned and the walls were daubed with anarchist graffiti.

It’s clear that anarchy means we must destroy public property and demand bajillions of dollars in free stuff from the government.

No we must destroy the state. The state is a institutionalize medium of control used by the fascist oligarchs to control the population.

I think the anarchists should start their own political party, run for office, and then handout free stuff to everyone. It would be great. Such an anarchist Utopia would be just like the anarchy of the Soviet Union or Zimbabwe.

Anarchy doesn't mean the end of capitalism. Nor does it mean free products or a utopia. Pre-PHAIL
The soviet union was fascist state capitalism. It had a state so no it was not anarchy. PHAIL 1/2
Zimbabwe is a consociationalist republic. It has a state so no its not anarchy. PHAIL 2/2


I’m not sure why the anarchists would rather riot than use the power of government to extract money from the productive members of society. It’s much easier to use State sanctioned violence against the innocent than to directly engage in it yourself.

Anarchist want the state to be removed. The state when used by powerful private interests,global industrialists and international banking cartels is oppressive BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL THE CONTROL OF IT. They make the laws they own the media and sell us thier products. We want control in OUR hands not just the elite.

Well when they steal trillions from us in taxes,start 2 illegal wars that we die in, illegally tax income that is unconstitutional, attack 2 sovereign countries for oil and opium, poison the water with fluorine to spike the rate of cancer, destroy the gulf of Mexico with a oil spill that could have been avoided...then go on vacation the whole time...give billions to BANKS not us BANKS.

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
Communists masquerading as Anarchists.

Nothing to see here, move along.

That is really what it is, people that believe that the government should control everything, because the EVIL corporations. Funny how they do not realize that GOVERNMENT is a corporation.

Humor of the ignorant!

Great website here-The Corporation known as the United States of America

Do real communists(pre-marx) believe in a central state bureaucracy?

Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

Your post displays a complete ignorance of the issue at hand here. Yet it's quite interesting to see someone with absolutely no knowledge of the situation wading in with uneducated opinions.

The protest is not to force "everything free for everyone!!!" as you seem to think.
The tuition fee increase will TRIPLE the debt that students face when they leave education. This will affect those who ALREADY struggle to fund their education, while those in the upper class have no concerns about paying it.

This is a wholesale sacrifice of the poor to benefit the rich, AGAIN.

How many individuals from poorer backgrounds will even attempt to continue any education in the future?

Surprisingly, it leaves the spaces for education open for those wealthy enough to be able to afford it.

Please, if you're going to start a thread discussing a topic, at least spend a few minutes to learn the facts.

The facts are a bunch of rioting socialists are mad that government isn't giving them free stuff.

Rather than crying about government not giving them free stuff by keeping tuition rates artificially suppressed, they should be demanding that government get out of the education industry so private markets can drive the rates back down to sane levels.

Demanding government keep prices suppressed below operating costs IS DEMANDING FREE STUFF.

Someone has to make up the difference - and that someone is the tax payer.

edit on 10-11-2010 by mnemeth1 because: (no reason given)

What if we made our own college, paid for our own professors(like noam chomsky), and bought our own land to put it on without state government funding(privately owned co-operatives)? You pay a flat rate to go to school there but since the people that work there are part owners of the school the money goes directly to the staff at the school(with salary caps and minimum staff sizes). Not back to the state.Not back to the elite.

Trotsky State University anyone?

obviously they arent anarchists. a true anarchist wouldnt be at a protest asking for government handouts. just because there was some "anarchist" graffiti doesnt mean jack. its just a bunch of college kids-the most ignorant ass-backwards part of our society.

edit- also if these kids were smart they'd be making it through life without wasting money on a piece of paper saying you went to extra schooling. you dont need a GED, highschool diploma, or college degree to get anywhere in america. its called hard work and america needs to rediscover that.

Originally posted by bismos
obviously they arent anarchists. a true anarchist wouldnt be at a protest asking for government handouts. just because there was some "anarchist" graffiti doesnt mean jack. its just a bunch of college kids-the most ignorant ass-backwards part of our society.

edit- also if these kids were smart they'd be making it through life without wasting money on a piece of paper saying you went to extra schooling. you dont need a GED, highschool diploma, or college degree to get anywhere in america. its called hard work and america needs to rediscover that.

edit on 11-11-2010 by bismos because: (no reason given)

Why don't they just start a bank and start defrauding people and get a bailout or two? Trickle down theory?

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman

Why don't they just start a bank and start defrauding people and get a bailout or two? Trickle down theory?

hahaha sounds like a great idea.

Unfortunately, you need to be politically connected before you are allowed to open a commercial bank. - and you need to be a mafia kingpin of you want the central bankers to give you a cut of the bailout loot.

For us working slobs, starting a large commercial bank to get a cut of the bailout loot is about as realistic a goal as becoming the president.

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That is a great question.

Do Marxists believe in ownership of property? Or do they just believe in ownership of the ruling class?

stop whining about price increase when you guys dont even have to pay them back if you dont want to! if you arent making the money it is tailored to what you are making, you could be paying like 17 pounds a month if thats all you had...and most of you guys dont end up paying them back fully. you can pay just as much as you can afford...what do we get stuck with? a godamn student bill hundreds and hundreds of dollars a month with very little hope of consolidation or debt forgiveness..my tuition was 14 grand a year...you guys have it EASY.

also, I was under the impression that the anarchists were protesting the increase in tuition, not asking for government handouts? they seemed to be protesting the fact that they had to pay more if they wanted to go to school. I get it that the cut in spending increases tuition, but I think its really just the increase that bothers them, not the reason it is increasing..if that makes sense.