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In America--and only in America, let it be noted--the Christian faith has been hijacked by a group of refugees from real life who have not even read the book they insist on taking so literally.
My bible tells me that on the first day, god created the heavens and the earth
I agree that neither evolution or creation should be taught in schools, let parents decide what to teach their children, eventually they will formulate their own idea's anyways.
The agenda of those working to destroy the American education system is to ensure that we raise an under educated class of uncritical drones who cannot think for themselves and who lock onto the first opinion that impinges on their senses. Fundamental religions and ultra right wing politicians want to be the that first message, and mass media moguls want to be the ones to deliver it. No wonder they working hand in hand to see that it comes about.
This is one of the most extremely un-American opinions I have read on this site.
Wonderfully suitable on ATS, of course, but I wonder whether you, rnaa, actually believe it. You don't seem like a paranoiac to me.
"It is an axiom in my mind that our liberty can never be safe but in the hands of the people themselves, and that, too, of the people with a certain degree of instruction. This is the business of the state to effect, and on a general plan." --Thomas Jefferson to George Washington, 1786. ME 19:24
I put it to you that the real reasons for the dumbing-down of primary and secondary education in America (and elsewhere in the world, including my own country) are as follows:
1. A laudable--in principle--desire to provide educational qualifications, and therefore better jobs, to as many people as possible.
2. Politicians 'giving the people what they want' in order to win votes, even when they know that 'what the people want' is destructive to society in the long run. It's an old, old story.
Do really think all Pro-American idea's are the best in the world?
"And say, finally, whether peace is best preserved by giving energy to the government or information to the people. This last is the most certain and the most legitimate engine of government. Educate and inform the whole mass of the people. Enable them to see that it is their interest to preserve peace and order, and they will preserve them. And it requires no very high degree of education to convince them of this. They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1787. (Forrest version) ME 6:392
"The value of science to a republican people, the security it gives to liberty by enlightening the minds of its citizens, the protection it affords against foreign power, the virtue it inculcates, the just emulation of the distinction it confers on nations foremost in it; in short, its identification with power, morals, order and happiness (which merits to it premiums of encouragement rather than repressive taxes), are considerations [that should] always [be] present and [bear] with their just weight." --Thomas Jefferson: On the Book Duty, 1821.
"Freedom [is] the first-born daughter of science." --Thomas Jefferson to Francois D'Ivernois, 1795. ME 9:297
"I think by far the most important bill in our whole code, is that for the diffusion of knowledge among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised for the preservation of freedom and happiness... The tax which will be paid for this purpose is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests and nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance." --Thomas Jefferson to George Wythe, 1786. ME 5:396
Do you not think parents should play a role in teaching their children...
... about this subject?
Or should they leave to the local school board?
I only have a problem with a theory being taught as factual science.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by snusfanatic
I agree that neither evolution or creation should be taught in schools, let parents decide what to teach their children, eventually they will formulate their own idea's anyways.
The Modern Evolutionary Synthesis is a scientific theory and as such is a scientific fact.
That's where I disagree, my opinion is fair, I won't teach my theory of creation by an intelligent designer, if you don't teach your theory of evolution. It's either that, or teach them both. For me this is where this discussion ends as we don't agree on it. My point was simply logical fair assessment for teaching or not teaching both topics.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
That's where I disagree, my opinion is fair, I won't teach my theory of creation by an intelligent designer, if you don't teach your theory of evolution. It's either that, or teach them both.
For me this is where this discussion ends as we don't agree on it.
My point was simply logical fair assessment for teaching or not teaching both topics.