still don't see and ice age link there, just a bit of copy and paste about the actual calander, I think the Mayans where after the last ice age so I
still see no link between man made pollution and emviromental cycles .
While mankind does of course have an impact on environmental pollution, just the fact that temperatures are rising on other planets and moons around
the solar system at the same time as The Earth should be enough data to show global warming people that this is a regular event caused by activity on
the SUN, not restricted to the 20th and 21st centuries.
I don't deny that global climate change is happening. I do deny that mankind has EVER been able to influence planetary weather either towards the
heat or the cold.
In the 1970's all the data showed that during the 1950's and 1960's the planet was cooling down. "Well respected scientists" made documentaries
lamenting about the impending doom of global cooling. Suddenly, in the 1990's and 2000's, all of the data now mysteriously shows that the planet
was heating up in the 1950's and 1960's, and now all of the "well respected scientists" are putting their names to documents lamenting about the
impending doom of global warming.
When I see graphs like the one below, it's pretty clear temperatures are rising as well as CO2. Maybe there isn't a direct correlation between CO2
and rising temps, which means we are even more clueless as to what is happening. But we know CO2 is a greenhouse gas which traps more heat in
the atmosphere but it may be more complex.
Some one mention the decline in temperatures in the 1950-1970s, one article attributes this to quote "The slight downward trend in temperature from
about 1945 until about 1975 is due to the increase in Sulfate Aerosols (SO4), largely produced by burning coal that contains sulfur. These cool the
earth, and their increase during these years largely canceled the increase in CO2 during the same period. "
I can already see this thread is getting nowhere fast. How about this, whether or not the Earth is getting warmer, or colder - the point is the
climate has been doing some really crazy stuff a lot recently; such as floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanoes erupting, etc. There's even a new
story on ATS about discovering new artifacts in Norway because of ice melting...
It doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist to realize pollution is a bad thing.
Now, if say the emission levels of the United States is only contributing say... .00000000000000000000001% to the earth's climate change - guess
what, it's still contributing to the earth's climate change. Is just me or does it seem more like people are basically just saying "The
Earth's climate is going to change anyway no matter what we do, so what difference does it make?" I mean, let's be real. Obviously the climate of
any planet in the entire UNIVERSE is going to change at some point over the next gazillion years... This same kind of attitude is what got us into so
many problems in the first place, you know like being in debt by 13 trillion dollars (or whatever the number is now) "Oh well who cares, I'll be
dead and gone by the time anything happens anyway."
Their are floors to the cap n trade system, and I dont fully understand it.
But a carbon tax is much simpler, tax the polluters, and use the money to fund renewable energy. Then when its all renewable energy it'd be all
good. The problem being, who is the govt going to tax? how big is the tax going to be? where will they spend the money? and how much cushioning will
their be for the average joe?
These are the questions.
I'd happily pay a few extra cents a litre for petrol and a bit extra on my power bill - IF - I knew in 2 years time I could buy affordable solar
panels for my roof and the price of an electric car was subsidised.
WARNING:!?!: ( If mistake made in linking, apologizes"
Haven't posted much, a shell has been opened to new possibilities and opportunities, find it fascinating that from what I've read on this thread
barely a mention of other worldly planets temps rising. Just a quick link or two. Could be right, could be wrong, that's why we're ALL entitled to
our opinions no matter how wrong.
*Disclaimer, first two google searches* I'd say NatGeo worthy?
but you won't reap the benefits of your reward with a price on carbon, because they will find more and more to tax you on because won't stop, third
world countries will still use more and more and be subsidized by the west and as their populations are growing faster they will need more injected to
reduce their demand.
As it stands, India, China are the manufacturers anyway and they will not be hitting their industry with high taxes as it will stifle growth, you will
be the one who pays the most and receive the least from this tax, so those few extra cents you pay will be compounded.
1 loaf of bread
flour purchased + carbon tax
other ingredients + carbon tax
Baking time + carbon tax
delivery + carbon tax
Retailer + carbon tax
take it home for an extra few cents + your carbon tax
and then when you toast it add some more carbon tax,
expelling toast after digestion? Toilet paper + carbon tax
the list goes on, its not a few cents here or there bau trather many times will the tax be added.
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