Dutch queen OKs government backed by Geert Wilders

reply to post by Skyfloating


In the 21st Century, the political battle will no longer be left versus right, but individualism over authoritarianism. Sadly, those who believe in individualism are currently being systematically silenced.

reply to post by LarryLove


I Understand your concerns, but you will have to look into reality as well.

What if within lets say 50 years you have been proven wrong... Your children asked.. Didn't you see it coming? .. you say : Well i refused to talk about it.. We just demonised the messenger ...

Democratic dialogue should always be possible, extremist call for violence, Geert calls for peaceful action, you don't have to agree, but he call for it at a peaceful way.

Extremist (whatever believe) call for armed and suppression ...

Als het kalf verdronken is dempt men de put..

Originally posted by LarryLove
reply to post by ollncasino

 

And the right is telling us to hate.

Really?

I thought the right was just trying to resist the Islamification of Europe?

If its the right which is so full of hate in Europe, how come all of those bombs being set off on buses and trains were set off by Muslims?

How many Muslims has the European right murdered in the last 10 years?

That's right. Zero.

How many Europeans have Muslims murdered in Europe in the last 10 years?

My, that would be a long list.

reply to post by infinite


Good point!

And the ruling class wants the sheeple to be divided so they can push their agenda, the centralising of power to the EU is just another way of making it impossible for smaller groups of people to have any influence.

Divide and conquer

reply to post by ollncasino


The UK's version of resistance from the BNP or the EDL is not peaceful. Visit their forum boards for a flavour of their rhetoric.

EDL Board

reply to post by EarthOccupant


As I have said, I don't buy into the Islamic conspiracy of total world control.

There are plenty of threads elsewhere on ATS for that.

I can see some people's point by taking the moral high ground and suggesting we just be left to our own devices and get on with things.

Its ok for everyone to be equal, if everyone is thinking equallity. But if only some are and the others about their own cause, then you're open to be exploited.

Originally posted by LarryLove
The UK's version of resistance from the BNP or the EDL is not peaceful.

You do know that the EDL was formed in Luton as a reaction against Muslims holding placards in the street calling British soldiers returning from Iraq, "Baby Killers" and against the forced and violent Islamification of Luton by Islamic radicals?

Read this report below -

Britons who HATE Britain: The Muslim extremists hell-bent on segregation rather than integration

While the majority of Muslims are peace-loving, industrious people, it would be wrong to deny that there are deeply disturbing tensions in the area.

When a Mecca Bingo Hall opened in the heart of Bury Park, its windows were smashed. The neon Mecca sign, some Muslims claimed, was an insult to their religion because it associated the name of their holiest city with gambling.

Adverts and billboards featuring women deemed to be showing too much flesh have been defaced. An evangelical church was daubed with graffiti.

Over the past 18 months or so, around 30 non-Muslim homes in the area have also been attacked. One white couple in their 80s had bricks - and, on one occasion, a lump of concrete - hurled through their front window. A West Indian woman in her 70s was watching television when a metal beer keg crashed through her bay window.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Originally posted by LarryLove
As I have said, I don't buy into the Islamic conspiracy of total world control.

There are plenty of threads elsewhere on ATS for that.

You haven't read the Koran then. I have. So has Wilders. The koran states cleary that Islam and Muslims have a duty to impose Islam on the world.

Part of Wilders Speech in Berlin (translated from German)

The American political scientist Mark Alexander writes that “One of our greatest mistakes is to think of Islam as just another one of the world’s great religions.

We shouldn’t. Islam is politics or it is nothing at all, but, of course, it is politics with a spiritual dimension, … which will stop at nothing until the West is no more, until the West has … been well and truly Islamized.”

These are not just statements by opponents of Islam.

Islamic scholars say the same thing.

There cannot be any doubt about the nature of Islam to those who have read the Koran, the Sira and the Hadith.

Abul Ala Maududi, the influential 20th century Pakistani Islamic thinker, wrote – I quote, emphasizing that these are not my words but those of a leading Islamic scholar – “Islam is not merely a religious creed [but] a revolutionary ideology and jihad refers to that revolutionary struggle … to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth, which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam.”

Ali Sina, an Iranian Islamic apostate who lives in Canada, points out that there is one golden rule that lies at the heart of every religion – that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us.

In Islam, this rule only applies to fellow believers, but not to Infidels.

Ali Sina says “The reason I am against Islam is not because it is a religion, but because it is a political ideology of imperialism and domination in the guise of religion. Because Islam does not follow the Golden Rule, it attracts violent people.”

sheikyermami.com...-61275

reply to post by ollncasino


I have seen the bad in them all. Muslim and EDL alike. In fact, I am currently involved in a photo story about the EDL, UAF and the hard line Muslim protesters.

If you are going to quote The Daily Mail, then I retort with this:



I couldn't resist!

Originally posted by LarryLove
If you are going to quote The Daily Mail, then I retort with this:

The pictures are better in the Daily Mail. Still the Telegpraph has a pretty good pictures as well

Luton's Muslim extremists defy public anger

The Muslim extremists in Luton who jeered British troops returning from Iraq are continuing to defy public anger despite the simmering tension it has caused in a racially-mixed town.

www.telegraph.co.uk...


Homecoming soldiers branded 'murderers' and 'terrorists' by Muslim extremists

Soldiers on a homecoming parade were branded "murderers," "rapists," "terrorists" and "baby killers" by a mob of Muslim extremists, a court heard.

www.telegraph.co.uk...


Muslim who called soldiers baby killers says words were not offensive

Two Muslim men accused of calling British soldiers murderers, racists and baby killers during a homecoming parade told a court their words could not be seen as offensive because they were speaking the truth.

www.telegraph.co.uk...


Then to add insult to injury (to use a turn of phrase)

Muslim protesters handed conditional discharge

Five Muslim protesters accused of calling British soldiers rapists, murderers and baby killers were handed conditional discharges yesterday.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

reply to post by ollncasino


Okay, this thread isn't about Islamic conspiracy theories, but I will say this. The West has spent ten years occupying and killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims. What if Afghanistan or Iraq was your country. How would you feel as an ordinary person.

Again, this thread isn't about Islamic conspiracy theories.

reply to post by ollncasino


I am not denying this goes on nor condoning it. Quite the opposite. This thread isn't about discussing extreme Islamic protests and I deplore these as I do EDL protests and picketing at the funerals of dead American soldiers.

Edit: If you want a discussion on the above, then feel free to start a separate thread on the issue and we can debate there.

Originally posted by LarryLove

The West has spent ten years occupying and killing hundreds of thousands of Muslims. What if Afghanistan or Iraq was your country. How would you feel as an ordinary person.

If Islamic militants are trying to kill us in the West because we have invaded Afghanistan or Iraq, why did Bin Laden destroy the twin towers in 2001 and murder 3000 people before Afghanistan or Iraq were invaded?

If Islamic militants are trying to kill us in the West because we have invaded Afghanistan or Iraq, why are Islamic militants killing Thai teachers in Thailand?

134th teacher assassinated by Muslim terrorists in Thailand this year

undhimmi.com...

reply to post by LarryLove


So what is it about?

Second line.

reply to post by ollncasino


Dude, I have explained nicely and to some degree admire your persistence, but alas you will continue to derail this thread in a direction I don't want it to go.

Your actions are duly noted.

Originally posted by LarryLove
reply to post by ollncasino

 

I am not denying this goes on nor condoning it. Quite the opposite. This thread isn't about discussing extreme Islamic protests and I deplore these as I do EDL protests and picketing at the funerals of dead American soldiers.

Edit: If you want a discussion on the above, then feel free to start a separate thread on the issue and we can debate there.

edit on 8-10-2010 by LarryLove because: (no reason given)

Sorry, I didn't realise this thread was confined to bashing Wilders.

To actually discuss what he is being prosecuted for stating and defend his position, is, as you say, clearly off topic!

Or perhaps not.

reply to post by EarthOccupant


Again, go back to the beginning of the post and therein lies the clue.

A move to the right - good or bad for the Netherlands and Europe as a whole?

Originally posted by LarryLove
The UK's version of resistance from the BNP or the EDL is not peaceful. Visit their forum boards for a flavour of their rhetoric.

So you bash the EDL while I defend them.

But I'm off topic?

Are the only comments you are happy with are ones that bash Wilders (as you have done), the EDL (as you have done), the BNP (as you have done) and the European right wing (as you have done)?

Anything defending any of the above (as I have done) is off topic?

Go figure

Originally posted by LarryLove
Again, go back to the beginning of the post and therein lies the clue.

A move to the right - good or bad for the Netherlands and Europe as a whole?

Can you really discuss whether Europe moving to the right is a good or bad thing without discussing why it is moving to the right?

Can you really expect to be allowed to bash Wilders and the EDL but maintain posters have no right to defend them?