Pakistan warns against more NATO raids

Pakistan warns against more NATO raids

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistan has told NATO leaders it will stop protecting U.S. and NATO supply lines to Afghanistan if foreign aircraft stage further cross-border attacks against fleeing militants, security officials said Tuesday.

If carried out, such a threat would have major consequences on the war in Afghanistan as well as on Pakistan's relationship with the United States, which is vitally important for both nations. Analysts said there was little or no chance of Islamabad carrying though with it, however.

Well here is an example of the US/NATO possibly shooting themselves in the foot. Recent drone strikes which were targeting insurgence who attack locations in Afghanistan then bounce back across the border are causing issues within Pakistan.

Stay tuned

reply to post by SLAYER69


this reminds me of vietnam the viet cong bounced back and forth out load and cambodia in all reality pakistan has no right to tell the us/nato to do anything at all.

the us/nato have the power and responsibilty to protect those troops in harms way if the pakistanis want it stopped then stop harboring them,stop training them,stop supporting them.

pakistan hates america but they should be hating themselves for not taking the real action necessary to ensure its own peace.

after further reading of that article it became clear the reason those convoys are even being attacked in the first place is that the pakistanis are leaking the information about routes and timing.

pakistani hate+ convoy attacks+fake care about anything us= big load of crap

reply to post by neo96


Great point.
Why doesnt Pakistan police it's own country and border better?

reply to post by The-Hammer


pakistani taliban is why they can stop it in tracks but they have made the choice of who to support and while pakistan does claim to be on american side with their words their actions have clearly spoken otherwise.

I dont see the pakistanis burning the US flag on the sacks of grain they sent over to help with the flood relief, funny that hey! Im not racist but am fed up of double standards with these people. 'Please help us' they say in one breath whilst cursing us with another.

reply to post by The-Hammer


It's a lot more complicated than just policing the border better. The Taliban have family ties in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Even though a large percentage of the Taliban are not from there.

You have to ask yourself: how would you feel if you not only had to live in fear of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and other terrorist groups; suicide and remote detonated bombs; but also had to deal with floods, famine, a crumbling infrastructure, and Predator drone strikes (to top it off) every other day?

This isn't about politics or military strategy. I'd say this is more about peace of mind. Remember that those are humans over there. Children, too. The current generation of Pakistani's pretty much grew up in a war zone, so you have to keep that in mind when it comes to their outlook and view of Western interference; the events/actions which they have absolutely no control over. The psychological impact of our actions in the Middle East, especially in regards to our "allies," need to be seriously thought-out and carefully executed.

reply to post by xiphias



Star for you.

Very well put. The human factor does tend to get tossed to the street sometimes. I'm guilty of that myself. It all tends to get lost in favor of conspiracy theories and the like.

muslim population of pakistan 174,082,000 the islamic republic of pakistan

of that number how many people you think are taliban
of that number how many people you think support al qaeda
of that number how many people you think that are in the military
of that number how many people you think are in the police


of that number how many people do you think just hate the us
of that number how many people do you think will do anything to kill americans

of that number how many people just want to just live in peace.

Originally posted by chaztekno
I dont see the pakistanis burning the US flag on the sacks of grain they sent over to help with the flood relief, funny that hey! Im not racist but am fed up of double standards with these people. 'Please help us' they say in one breath whilst cursing us with another.

In all fairness not all the Pakistanis would burn our flag. I'm sure though there are plenty who would given the chance

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by The-Hammer

 

pakistani taliban is why they can stop it in tracks but they have made the choice of who to support and while pakistan does claim to be on american side with their words their actions have clearly spoken otherwise.

Pakistan is in a fix.

They are caught between two worlds. On on hand they want to be modern and have many things western then on the other they have a deep traditional side. Many Taliban supporters have family fighting the West in Afghanistan.

Originally posted by SLAYER69They are caught between two worlds. On on hand they want to be modern and have many things western then on the other they have a deep traditional side. Many Taliban supporters have family fighting the West in Afghanistan.

Exactly. Pakistan is trying to be progressive while maintaining some of their values and spirituality. There's tribal/rural Pakistan, and then there's urban/modern Pakistan. Then there's the Taliban extremists who have no problem bombing a girl's school filled with children. Then there's NATO/CIA who has no problem bombing a village to kill a handful of Taliban regardless of how many civilian casualties it may cause. It's a valiant effort, but apathy has no place in a civilian region. One civilian casualty is too much, if you ask me. Stuff like this ("collateral damage") wouldn't fly at all anywhere in the West.

So not only are they stuck between two worlds, they're quite literally stuck between a rock and a hard place. As much as they appear to "hate the West," I'm pretty sure they hate the Taliban much more; which would explain why they're more or less willing to sit back and let NATO/CIA do it's thing to an extent.

Originally posted by xiphias
So not only are they stuck between two worlds, they're quite literally stuck between a rock and a hard place. As much as they appear to "hate the West," I'm pretty sure they hate the Taliban much more; which would explain why they're more or less willing to sit back and let NATO/CIA do it's thing to an extent.

Well they could help out a bit more. That way we wouldn't have to bomb their country. Civilians do get killed. That much is true.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by xiphias
So not only are they stuck between two worlds, they're quite literally stuck between a rock and a hard place. As much as they appear to "hate the West," I'm pretty sure they hate the Taliban much more; which would explain why they're more or less willing to sit back and let NATO/CIA do it's thing to an extent.

Well they could help out a bit more. That way we wouldn't have to bomb their country.

Yes, it seems like a little more effort by the Paks now would result in less foreign interference, and that coming about much sooner.

This may be a good deal of public posturing although some factors mentioned are real.

Originally posted by neo96
muslim population of pakistan 174,082,000 the islamic republic of pakistan

of that number how many people you think are taliban
of that number how many people you think support al qaeda
of that number how many people you think that are in the military
of that number how many people you think are in the police


of that number how many people do you think just hate the us
of that number how many people do you think will do anything to kill americans

of that number how many people just want to just live in peace.

1. Minute amount
2. Maybe a bit more, but still less than 1%
3. maybe a quarter have done military service
4. less than #3
5. Maybe 5-10%
6. best guess would be less than .5%
7. around 99%

Us Westerners need to realize the world does not revolve around us. Out of that population you mentioned I would bet at least 15-20% don't even know what the United States is. Most of them could care less about our stupid little war. Why should they? It has nothing to do with them, until we drop a plane load of high powered firecrackers on their village. That is a very good reason for them to not want to co-operate.

The big city people like our lifestyle, they want to be us. The country folk just want to keep on keeping on. Think about who looks like the bad guy from their perspective. There is the guys from the neighboring country who come in and use their resources to provide food, and some money to the village. They share the language, the culture, the religion. Compare that to a group who is completely different from you in every way. It is quite easy to see why they would side with "the bad guys".

reply to post by Rook1545


You're wrong. They've done surveys, and a significant percentage of Pakistanis support terrorism. It's always less than 50%, even when fluctuating, which is good because the majority do not support terrorism, BUT if it's 25-35% (the fluctuation rate) then that is A LOT if you ask me, and very scary.

reply to post by bettermakings

Actually, according to this, which could plausibly be said to be biased against Pakistan, the figure is 15%, up from 10% last year. And this article from 2007 quotes a survey that shows that 86% of Pakistanis believe that terrorism is NEVER justified (meaning it would be 14% who would say that there could be SOME situations where it could be justified).


Also, according to wikipedia, Pakistan has a standing army of 550,000. Way, way less than a quarter of it's population.