Thousands in Afghanistan protest now-suspended plan to burn Korans

reply to post by FrancoUn-American


And the US, the international corporate bully and exploiter and warmonger did nothing to deserve it?

If they hated US, even more of a reason not to go into their country. I don't care how they felt about US and its allies. We have absolutely no reason and no excuse for being there and destroying and killing.

.It bothers you that they hate US. Imagine how much more it bothers them that their country is being demolished and their loved ones and their fellow citizens being massacred for no reason.

US policy. Kill in the name of profit, fake democracy and alleged peace.
Fanatical Muslims: Kill in the name of Allah and alleged peace.

What is the difference?

Originally posted by wcitizen
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

And we have another bunch of people who have invaded their country, destroyed it, killed hundreds of thousands of their people, on the basis of a fake terrorist, so that we can take control of their country, their economy and steal their natural resources. You think that is better?

Diversion at it's best. And what about all the others up in arms in countries that have not been invaded? I see TPTB mind tricks have worked on you see past them and the truth will reveal itself.



This is setup by them and used by them to pit people agaisnt each other. In reality this has nothing to do about religion. This has to do with control and sadly they have your mind.



Create a cause and then you can have a solution. If you never give them a cause they have nothing. Just like the whole swine flu thing. How did that work out for them? It didn't work out why? We never gave them the cause to implement the solution.

lol at least we are not thinking about the illegal Mexicans anymore lol
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reply to post by Subjective Truth


I don't watch MSM, I don't watch TV and I don't read MSM. I read a lot elsewhere, I observe what's happening around me and around the world and do my best to think for myself.

I look at what Israel is doing to Palestinians, and I understand the widespread resentment against them, and against the US who finances Israel and gives it unconditional support.

I don't care whether those you speak of like us or not, doesn't bother me in the slightest. As of right now,however, I see no Western country which has been invaded and pillaged by a Muslim nation, do you?
I don't see them setting up fake terrorist attacks and blaming it on Christians, do you?

Sadly, the MSM peddles hatred for Muslims and all sorts of other poisonous propaganda, the West fakes Muslim terrorist attacks, and many people are too blind or too lazy to see the truth, they prefer the jingoism and trash of the MSM.

Thse same people often resort to personal insults when their views are challenged.

reply to post by Subjective Truth



Ok, go read my posts and then come back and tell me the same thing. Seems like there's a comprehension problem somewhere.

I am perfectly aware of the divisions they are trying to create. That's why I won't buy this peddling of hatred against Muslims.

The hatred of Muslims they are fuelling serves no-one but their own evil Zionist agenda. As does the Muslim hatred of the West.

reply to post by wcitizen




I agree they peddle hate and why do they do that? To keep the war machine rolling. It has become a industry just like Coke or Snack cakes.



But I wish people would see when they say things like the poor Palestinians they are buying into the lies TPTB have cooked up to keep the machine rolling along.



It is all part of the game. And we are the pawns.

Originally posted by wcitizen
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

Ok, go read my posts and then come back and tell me the same thing. Seems like there's a comprehension problem somewhere.

I am perfectly aware of the divisions they are trying to create. That's why I won't buy this peddling of hatred against Muslims.

The hatred of Muslims they are fuelling serves no-one but their own evil Zionist agenda. As does the Muslim hatred of the West.

I agree with everything you just wrote. I believe picking a side is exactly what they want. This is my point they divide and then we choose a side. And then the push propaganda to both sides to keep it going.

Originally posted by TheAmused
lol at least we are not thinking about the illegal Mexicans anymore lol
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edit on 11-9-2010 by TheAmused because: (no reason given)

Lol! Starred. Thanks for making me smile!

ps. The illegals -n that's their back up plan!

Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by badw0lf

 

Strange because i'm in a room in university, and i'd guess that 30% of the people in this room are Muslim

and STRANGELY none of them have rioted, raged or destroyed anything.

Ahh Ok, my bad. Had no idea 30% of a room full of people was an indication of the entire global islamic population. Whew, crisis averted

Maybe you're just believeing everything the TV tells you.

Or my eyes. Perhaps the truth is not always rose coloured and makes you feel good.

I do get it, I have worked with muslims who were the most generous and accepting people. But I do wonder if that is why they left their countries of origin. They denounce extremism quietly to us, sure.. And who are we to ask individuals to be the vocal rallying point for anything more. But well, we are in this thread referring to Afghanistan.

Which negates the I know/you know a muslim theme.

One day you'll have a mind of your own.

Why yes. I have the one I want kept in a freezer in my basement. she was a wonderful girl, a mind to die for.

I have faith that even the most supid of people are wholly capable of having thoughts of their own that aren't ictated by idiotic and blind patriotism.

You are dropping more consonants than I am - My work is complete. Now when your turn off the telly and look around you outside of that room with a whopping 30% ratio, have a gander and see if you can tell the difference between tariq or yooke where you are, and abdul or yassan who live in the lands of the rising blood pressure.

but if you prefer to say it;s all groovy, pass the bacon wait scrub that, I'll have turkey, well.. thats ok too. Just as long as you make sure to turn the tv off.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
reply to post by wcitizen

 

I agree they peddle hate and why do they do that? To keep the war machine rolling. It has become a industry just like Coke or Snack cakes.

Yes, that's it. And also so they can keep their citizens in a state of fear, so they are more easily manipulated and controlled. They bombard us constantly with all this, as part of their plan.



But I wish people would see when they say things like the poor Palestinians they are buying into the lies TPTB have cooked up to keep the machine rolling along.

I don't entirely agree with you on the Palestine issue, I believe Israel has every intention of totally occupying Palestine, and has no intention of making peace. Also, the crimes it commits against Palestine fuels the resentment of many Muslim countries, which furthers the Zionist agenda. It's interesting that while all the furore about the book burning has been given so much MSM attention, in the last two days Israel has bombed Gaza and has closed all the crossings for 4 days, which also violates all international agreements. The excuse? So they can celebrate the Jewish New Year.

It is all part of the game. And we are the pawns.

I agree. It is all part of their evil game, and we are indeed the pawns. It's hard to grasp everything they are up to, but we can only do our best. To be aware of their games and their psyops is to be less controlled by them, so we just must do our best.

Sometimes I feel as though my heart is really so heavy when I see all the suffering they are causing.

Originally posted by wcitizen
reply to post by badw0lf

 

But somehow you seem to think it's ok that we are there in their country destroying it and killing their people and taking control of their economy and their resources?

It's not about blame, it's about seeing that the situation is more complex and engineered than the propaganda being spewed out by the Gov and the politicians.

Not at all, I dont give a banana about their country to be honest - I've said from the beginning that I want our men and women home and safe (ALL of them, not just the US). Certainly, I see no reason to be in a place where we are not wanted.

But by the same token, the extremists are not saying Death to the Invaders over this. 1 flipping church with 50 measly followers, 20-30 of whom had left since, want to burn their book, and these clowns call for the death of your president, your people and your country.

Get the F lying spanners out... Really? and it's all "Oh but we're over there killing them and.." -- then the protest should be "We hate you for this war!" but "we hate you for threatening to burn a book.. Oh and the war.."

Man... it's not rocket surgery.

Any old excuse will do, but as long as people here continue to justify it, it wont make sense. Bah..

reply to post by Subjective Truth


I am on only one side. I'm on your side, and the side of decent people everywhere. I stand with the millions of decent Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, atheists, agnostics who hate war and violence and just want peace. I stand with all these brothers and sisters and I stand against the evil agenda which is being forced on us by the Cabal.

Originally posted by TheAmused
www.latimes.com...

Shouts of "Death to America!" rang out as Afghan demonstrators Saturday denounced now-suspended plans by an American pastor to burn copies of the Muslim holy book, the Koran. More than 10,000 people took part in a protest in Logar province, south of the Afghan capital, Kabul

Well who would have thought it. The Islamic sheeple are as easily herded as the Christian sheeple. Getting rid of America would solve a few problems though..

reply to post by badw0lf

Yes, it's totally ridiculous, one measly tiny church, with a Pastor with a very poor record of morality anyway (tax dodging, arrest for child pornography) and a tiny handful of follwers. Even his daughter is reported to have said today that she thinks her father (the Pastor) has lost it.

I don't think he or his tiny church or the tiny group of followers is the problem. It's the furore which the MSM has caused by giving it so much attention, added to by the long list of government idiots who have come out with statements. This is whatI believe has turned it into an international event, and it's deliberate.

If this had simply been given no coverage, as should have been the case, the Afghans wouldn't even know about it, but coincidentally Petraus was one of the first to make a public statement about it. This made sure the Afghans would hear about it.

It bothers me that they are doing this and people are being suckered into all this anti-Muslim frenzy, just exactly as the Cabal intended. They want to invade Iran. There is no public appetite for that, and from some of the things I've read this may also be the case in the military to some extent at least.

So, I'm guessing that this is another desperate attempt to stir up hatred, and provoke Iranian Muslim politicians into something they can use as an excuse. I am half expecting them to create another fake terrorist attack and pin it on the Iranians...or the Lebanese or the Syrians, so they can start their plan.

What is great is there there really doesn't seem to be too much appetite in US and EU, especially amongs the public, for any more invasions. That is so good to see.

And that's why I took the line I did...In an attempt to try to attenuate t the anti-Muslimism propaganda currently being stoked by the MSM and TPTB. If I was on an extremest Muslim site I would be doing the same thing in reverse. Trying to get people to see the games the extremist Muslim lldeaders are playing, and the glaring deceit in both the extremist Muslim and the Western Gov propaganda.

reply to post by TheAmused


i wondered if they protested:

when daniel pearl was beheaded
when thier women arent allowed to goto school
when they cut off a womans nose because the father didnt like what she did
when a husband can rape his wife cause shes "his property"
when the father murders his daughters for dating non muslims.
when the stone women for cheating
when they kill gays

that list is endless.

they protest someone who threaten to burn a bible.

they do much worse and dont even hesitate about it.


give me a christian any day over " muslim"

i also wonder if they protest when a church is torn down so they can build a mosque over it?

answers are obvious.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

Originally posted by wcitizen
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

And we have another bunch of people who have invaded their country, destroyed it, killed hundreds of thousands of their people, on the basis of a fake terrorist, so that we can take control of their country, their economy and steal their natural resources. You think that is better?

Diversion at it's best.

And what about all the others up in arms in countries that have not been invaded? I see TPTB mind tricks have worked on you see past them and the truth will reveal itself.



This is setup by them and used by them to pit people agaisnt each other. In reality this has nothing to do about religion. This has to do with control and sadly they have your mind.



Create a cause and then you can have a solution. If you never give them a cause they have nothing. Just like the whole swine flu thing. How did that work out for them? It didn't work out why? We never gave them the cause to implement the solution.

Do you realize how insanely paranoid you sound right now?

Originally posted by FrancoUn-American
reply to post by wcitizen

 

Incase you havent noticed the people have hated America well before the gulf war, So it's not like they ever liked us and we hurt them into hating us, They have always hated the US and its allies.

Actually you tortured them in to hating you, last I remember it was American backed dictators who tortured moderate Muslims in to extremism. Last I remember they all wanted Democracy, in a sense that if people vote for Islam, then that should be the choice, but ofcurse that is what America can't stand. If they vote for Islam, and choose a Muslim leader, they will represent the people of that land, not America.

Every time a leader from that region went against American wishes, there would be sanctions, war, coups, assassinations, death squads, and not to mention torture.

Let's not forget, that when Saddam was killing tens of thousands of innocent people, the US was behind him, because he didn't do anything against American wishes, when Saddam went to war against Iran and used bio/chemical weapons, American was behind him, because he wasn't going against American wishes, but when he decided to trade in Euro rather than dollar, the sanctions started, then the country got invaded and he got hanged.

It is not that hard to connect the dots, but if you refuse to see the dots, then you are blind, either through ignorance or arrogance.



Just edit to add Hamas on the list of governments Muslims have chosen, and how they have been rejected by the US, not to mention Iran. Those governments were chosen by the people, in Democracy style, but since they are Islamic, and represent the people, rather than the arrogant empire, America has blockaded one, and threatened war and implemented sanctions against the other.

reply to post by wcitizen


It doesnt bother me that they hate the US I sit comfortably in my home as they toil and suffer for not throwing away there ancient moronic logic. What bothers me is bleeding hearts like you who defend these barbarians you have no idea what it's like there, most people would kill you soon as look at you.

Originally posted by FrancoUn-American
reply to post by wcitizen

 

It doesnt bother me that they hate the US I sit comfortably in my home as they toil and suffer for not throwing away there ancient moronic logic. What bothers me is bleeding hearts like you who defend these barbarians you have no idea what it's like there, most people would kill you soon as look at you.

Actually that is not true, since I have seen white people join the Afghan resistance

Your arrogance is obvious from the above post, and that really effects your credibility

Originally posted by scoobyrob
i wonder would it be the same if it was the other way around?? islam threatens to burn the bible, would the not be the same if not more people protesting threwout the world??

No it wouldn't. Not in anyway the same. Islam has already shown itself to have more than it's share of bloody fanatics. OK call it 'just the extremists' if you will. But which group has mobs calling for murder and fatwas if it feels insulted? Who is it that films heads being sawn off? Look at the furor over Salman Rushdie or that Danish cartoonist.
I do hope that Pastor has good life insurance. The fact that he called off this event (if it was ever serious in the first place) will not save his ass.
Our acts of aggression on others sovereign territories don't help of course. I am sure they just rally more people to the cause. But ultimately there is an element to Islam which which only blindfolded, politically correct idiots can continue to deny.