Terrorists supporting Michael Moore films, Communists supporting anti-war movements...

Seriously people, anyone who doubts either of those needs to wake up.

In 1919 Lenin created the Communist International, an organization that supported revolutions around the world. It changed names not long after its inception to the "Communist Information Agency". Where in the 60s a kid in college could get ahold of their propoganda.

The McCarthy era was a direct result of this. You think because you watch Hollywood films that show the big bad government silencing them that there was not a threat?

Reagan new there was a threat, he knew that there were communists in Hollywood who made films that were undermining the United States, NATO, and the UN.

Is it so impossible to believe that terrorists organizations would pay to benefit people who support them indirectly such as Michael Moore?

Sure they do.

Just like they get their money from some charities and so forth.

This doesn't necessarily make Moore a Terrorists or war protestors whose bus trips to washington were being paid by the Communist Information Agency through sub-groups in the United States communists.

But it does show that there are propoganda forces attempting to use our freedom of speech to try and undermine OUR life-style.

Also, I think the fact that Michael Moore (not a political scientist nor does he know crap about how the government works) putting his biased and unfactual "doccumentary" into the theatres is dispicable.

I was waiting to see "The Terminal" which I have to say is probably the best movie I've ever seen, very emotional, very sad though semi-predictable in certain respects but it is still an excellent movie that is just filled with human emotions.

A preview for this turd of a movie came on with Vietnam music, and it made me want to just kick someone's ass.

I spend my whole day studying this crap and I go to a movie expecting a relaxation from it, and then I have to put up with Michael Moore's dillusional fantasies?

Ugh...

Read the rebuttal soon in an exciting new thread...

Current Administration supporting FOX News and other media, Neocons supporting pro-war movements...

This press release is just another way to get into our heads.

Claim MM is supported by terrorists, therefore, he must be a terrorist himself, therefore, any and all claims/fact/op-ed he makes is inaccurate, and you must be anti-Amerikan for watching it.

Granted, I don't care much for MM, or his new movie, mostly because Alex Jones did it first with 9-11: The Road to Tyranny.

the terrorist are supporting it in hope of kerry being elected so the US doesnt come after the terrorist

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
the terrorist are supporting it in hope of kerry being elected so the US doesnt come after the terrorist

If, in Bush words, the terrorist are an enemy to freedom, wouldn't they want Bush to win? Isn't Bush an enemy to freedom, American's freedom? And doesn't Bush provide the terrorists with new recruits everyday? Wouldn't they be opposed to someone like Kerry, who would not help swell the ranks of terrorist organizations?

curme - I love the way you think!!!

The only thing is... I don't think Kerry could do better right now. Whether it's Bush's fault or not (I personally think it is in good part) the United States are now in a situation where retreat is impossible. If I were John Kerry, I would not want to be President... he's going to have a helluva time cleaning this mess up.

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Originally posted by curme

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
the terrorist are supporting it in hope of kerry being elected so the US doesnt come after the terrorist

If, in Bush words, the terrorist are an enemy to freedom, wouldn't they want Bush to win? Isn't Bush an enemy to freedom, American's freedom? And doesn't Bush provide the terrorists with new recruits everyday? Wouldn't they be opposed to someone like Kerry, who would not help swell the ranks of terrorist organizations?

well what if thats what the terrorist wnat you to think. what if they are on the verge of being defeated, losing recurits because the saudi special forces (muslim special forces mind you) are doing such a great job killing the terrorist. maybe they need a break to get more recruits.

I'm not 100% sure I understand you freemason.

I've been a strong advocate of communism for over 20 years.
I do quite a lot of work in schools and try to ensure the kids I work with are informed about communist ethics and politics in the hope that they will adopt a similar political adgenda.

How can communism be undermineing "our" life style when "we" are already communists ?

Originally posted by Simon
I've been a strong advocate of communism for over 20 years.
I do quite a lot of work in schools and try to ensure the kids I work with are informed about communist ethics and politics in the hope that they will adopt a similar political adgenda.

How can communism be undermineing "our" life style when "we" are already communists ?

We are already communists? Funny, last I checked we were capitalist and didn't like communists... I must have been mistaken.

you know what? i am sick and tired of neocons slammin moore at every angle. what are you so mad about? he doesnt lie, if you read any of his books he does a really neat thing on EVERY PAGE, he quotes his sources! now theres an idea. what he does is present the facts (which are truly frightening) but the republicans try and paint him as an avid clinton supporter (which he is not) and bash bash bash. look people this country is being run into the ground and your rights are being removed daily! wake up and smell the coffee. you should be mad as hell, but no, you just follow what ever bush says like sheep and wonder why we are so hated internationaly. christ allmighty! cant wait till november and i can hear how the democrats stole the office, but even then, the republcans will do what they did with clinton. they will sit there for next 4 years and crawl up him with a microscope and prevent any real governing to happen, then while they have another 2or300 fbi agents investigating this and that, noone will be at the desk to take phone calls from flight schools in florida.........

Simon why are you not in China? Hell even the Chinese government is starting to open up. If you are a strong supporter of communsim I think you need to read up on the wonders communism has done for the people who have been subjected to that form of elitist slavery.

I spend my whole day studying this crap and I go to a movie expecting a relaxation from it, and then I have to put up with Michael Moore's dillusional fantasies?

C'mon man, have you even seen the movie yet, or do you automatically assume there is no factual basis in the movie because thats what the White House said? I'd recommend watching the movie and the making a decision.

My understanding was that the premise for the movie was that the Bush family had financial ties with al Qaeda prior to 9/11. Not to mention that the government officially helped al Qaeda in the past as well as Iraq.
Plus, it is interesting that before Bush was elected, members of the Bush administration released, including Cheney, published a paper complaining how the Taliban won't let them build an oil pipeline through their territory, together with the nationalization of Iraq's oil. Many countries helping with the oil-for-food program. etc. etc.
Basically we created the problem and now we are trying to solve it because of 9/11. 9/11 has anomalies of its own as Michael Moore points out (I suspect) such as the survival of a terrorist passport while the rest of the plane was pretty much destroyed, how convenient?
But anyway, Moore has to be as forceful as he is otherwise noone would pay attention, he NEEDS to be extreme to get people to watch his movie.
There are more than just communists against the war, look how many people out there didn't agree with the war, they aren't all communists.

This is a battle for power. The US wishes to be the preeminent military force for this new century and people realize that. Even if 9/11 didn't happen, they would still be going to war over something, but it would have taken longer. Bush administration even said prior to 2000 that it would take a sudden shock to speed up the process of their military transformation, which the advocated since the 90s. THese people wanted war all along, its very obvious. Not everyone is on the same page for war here. We go after Sadaam and who are the bulk of the people we kill, civilians burned and mutialited, they had nowhere to hide from the US's bombs, THAT IS WHY WAR IS A BAD THING, we free them of their lives?

What happens when a country wants to be #1 and stands tall against all others, the others are going to do what they can...It's not just Communism v. USA, Terrorists v. USA, this is USA vs. Much of the World. Pretty much everyone who isn't their direct ally, and even some of those are secretly against the US.

You can be assured that if Kerry were to be elected, he would be going in there for war as well. It's not hard for a president to say, let's go to war.

BTW..We technically became communists when there is a National Emergency according to Executive Orders, and we have been in one ever since the civil war, so technically we are because the pres can take whatever he wants in such a situation...

But it does show that there are propoganda forces attempting to use our freedom of speech to try and undermine OUR life-style.

Yes, like Ashcroft restricting our constitutional rights.

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[edit on 21-6-2004 by Jamuhn]

Originally posted by Otts
Whether it's Bush's fault or not (I personally think it is in good part) the United States are now in a situation where retreat is impossible.

I just love it when the Canadians come in and offer the most useless comments on a war they havent fought in years.

We are only in a stance from which we cant retreat because if we do then another islamic fundamentalist terrorist will slip through your customs and then into America through the northern border.

another islamic fundamentalist terrorist

you mean one of the ones the US helped fund...its just a big vicious circle of involvement

It seems to me that Michael Moore had brought up the idea of a 'War on Terrorism' in the mid 90's. . .Remeber 'Canadian Bacon'? Remeber the Americans looking for a new country to declare war on, Someone mentioned a War on Terroism they all laughed and laughed. Then they decided Canada.

Originally posted by Jamuhn
you mean one of the ones the US helped fund...its just a big vicious circle of involvement

Well my friend if you were to open a history book you would see that funding the Muhajadeen in Afghanistan in order to check Soviet Agression is a quite a bit different from giving money to Al-Quaida.

It seems youve bought blindly into this new revisionist history trend.

Whether or not there is involvement, the fact remains we are no trying to win the war on terror no matter how much you would like to see us fail.

People, you should see what I wrote in "FORUM reference index AND thread for discussing anything related to 9/11, pentagon, etc"
You will learn what is the link between Prescott Bush the grand father of Geoges W. Bush who was The Banker of Adolf Hitler (and its nazi war) and the war against Islam and its destruction by roman sionists just like W., and may be Israel too
Everyone know Islam is not bad like this. The rules are the same as Christians.
But G. Bush!!!


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It seems youve bought blindly into this new revisionist history trend.

Questionable Ties

www.williambowles.info...

I don't understand what you are talking about, maybe you don't understand what I'm talking about. Please don't try to judge me or think you know who I am or attack me in any way because you are obviously ignorant on all counts. Thanks. And no I don't support terrorism.

And yes, it seems as Bush does have an al Qaeda connection.

After several incarnations, Arbusto emerged in 1986 as Harken Energy Corporation. When Harken ran into trouble a year later, Saudi Sheik Abdullah Taha Bakhsh purchased a 17.6 percent stake in the company. Bakhsh was a business partner with Pharaon in Saudi Arabia; his banker there just happened to be bin Mahfouz

Though Bush told the Wall Street Journal he had �no idea� BCCI was involved in Harken�s financial dealings, the network of connections between Bush and BCCI is so extensive that the Journal concluded their investigation of the matter in 1991 by stating: �The number of BCCI-connected people who had dealings with Harken�all since George W. Bush came on board�raises the question of whether they mask an effort to cozy up to a presidential son.�

Worst of all, bin Mahfouz allegedly has been financing the bin Laden terrorist network�making Bush a U.S. citizen who has done business with those who finance and support terrorists. According to USA Today, bin Mahfouz and other Saudis attempted to transfer $3 million to various bin Laden front operations in Saudi Arabia in 1999. ABC News reported the same year that Saudi officials stopped bin Mahfouz from contributing money directly to bin Laden. (Bin Mahfouz�s sister is also a wife of Osama bin Laden, a fact that former CIA Director James Woolsey revealed in 1998 Senate testimony

"We are already communists? Funny, last I checked we were capitalist and didn't like communists... I must have been mistaken. "

Yes you were.

We are multicultural. Our society contains a huge cross section of political philosophical and theological perspectives.

There will never be a threat to "our" way of life because "we" encompass many diverse ways of life.

This is where your "neo-cons" and your "liberals" get as pathetic as each other. To suggest that liberal politics are a threat to "our" way of life is as confused as suggesting "neo-con" politics are a threat to "our" way of life.

Muslims are not a threat to our way of life because many of us are Muslims. Communists are not a threat to "our" way of life because many of us are communists. Capitalism is not a threat to "our" way of life because frankly many of us are capitalists.

As to the "move to china" comment. Er, why ? That reaction was similar to shouting "MOVE TO GERMANY THEN" just because someone expressed an interest in sausages.

So much racism on that thread!
So much violence!
So much confidence!
So much insults!
And still no one who want to know who is making that war : a nazi roman sionist that say with its church that the world must become roman or we would all go to hell... He try to terrorised us and make christian kill others!??!
That bush is not roman but nazi first, this is known and can't be ignored anymore!!! This can be verywell understood and seen! Know the story of his grand father Prescott who hold the money of the nazi in 1936.
Talk about your president and his link with nazi and christian sionists first, and also what his lobby hold around the world (oil-religion-politic-highest technology-weapons sold by America-army...) then you could tell about propaganda or communists you don't know too. Soviets and socialist are really not the same, but all socialists, like the national socialist parti of hitler or Sweeden (not the same at all!!, but socialists)
Ignorance!! You are hoaxed by the Bush propaganda, really