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Originally posted by gncnew
reply to post by ANOK
I thought he was Prussian... oh well.
Karl Heinrich Marx was born into a comfortable middle-class home in Trier on the river Moselle in Germany on May 5, 1818
Socialism leads to Communism because the economic theory needs the governmental backing. Remember - Communism is a "Democracy"... ROFL.
Lastly - the Spanish revolution showed an immediate increase in their production - but where are they now... Everyone works great when they're all happy about their revolutions... but when the honeymoon is over ..
Well, just take a look at their productivity ratios compared to other modernized nations - especially the U.S.
Essentially socialism is a great system to equalize out the benefits that people receive from their labor efforts...
Problem is that it makes good people work less and rewards unproductive.
Capitalism has many flaws but one thing it does is breed ingenuity and efficiency.
All this really comes down to the question: why did China start incorporating capitalism into their economic model?
Not true. When you work in a collective your labour is directly benefited because you earn from the profits made. The harder you work the more money you will make. Unlike capitalism where you can work as hard as you like, but you make no more money unless the 'boss' give you a pay raise. There is no motivation to produce high quality goods, and no motivation for workers to work to their max.
No it doesn't, it breeds a system where profit is more important than people. Products are produced as cheaply as possible, and sold at the most they can get, workers are paid the least they can get away with. Cheap products that cost more than they should and workers being paid the minimum possible does not make a motivated population.
Originally posted by gncnew
If Harry and Sally both work the same - this system works, but if Harry works harder than Sally, Sally gets just as much from it as Harry... so why should Harry work harder? If he gets rewarded more for his harder effort, that's capitalism... if he does not get rewarded more, he will simply stop working harder than Sally...
This is basic human nature that has been proven in reality - not text books and theory.
This is NOT true. When I am producing a product - the means of that production are of ultimate importance. A company is made of up of people that have a stake in trying to earn profit - but here is your falicy:
There is no fat-cat sitting at the top with a cigar. There is a group of share holders (like you and me with our 401k plans) that demand a company turn a profit or they will stop investing in that company.
Sorry I have no 401k plan. Not all companies have share holders, but regardless the company is still taking the profit made by the workers and puts it in the hands of private individuals who don't do the work that made that profit. The profit should go to the worker, not a private owner, or shareholder. The workers themselves should be the shareholders.
You keep confusing the actions of a failing company with the actions of a company looking to increase profits. Show me a single instance where a company was doing fine but in order to increase profits actually cut pay or staff?
It doesn't happen. When you are running a successful business the ONLY ways to increase that business is to expand the business, increase efficiency in current production models, or bring a better product to market. Everything else is just a temporary fix to a long term problem.
People don't do MORE work for the same money. With leadership comes responsibility (and liability). And any effort of a group requires leadership.
So in a socialistic model you are essentially saying that the chief ditch digger is going to earn as much as the brand new ditch digger - regardless of responsibility level... why on earth does anyone want more responsibility but same pay?
And if you do pay the cheif more... well then you are no longer following a socialistic model.
Again - this theory of an economic model requires two things to ever actually work:
- A non-expanding closed community with static needs
- Someone to hit the off switch on human nature
Originally posted by zzombie
Marx promised heaven & delivered hell.
Isn't if funny how all the useful idiots defending socialism have never lived in Stalins Russia, or Mao's China, yet the people who escaped those totalitarian regimes denounce them.