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posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:41 PM
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I have started this thread because I didn't want to hijack another one anymore.

I am going to start by replying directly to posts mad in said, other, thread.

MemoryShock.

For a group that supposedly wants a free and anonymous internet, they sure are doing a good job getting it tightly regulated.

Example, everytime hackers strike, government and ISP's put more regulations and restriction onto their clients. Not a major issue to people in areas with many ISP's. To a guy like me with 3 ISP's, I'm screwed.

All have, and continue to, restrict my ability to travel the internet. I have entire zones from some foreign countries blocked. All because some douchebag hacker like anonymous plied his trade.

havenvideo.

If anon had 10's of millions of members, and they were growing everyday, they wouldn't bother with hacking to invoke change. They could just vote it into power.
10's of millions of coordinated followers would be a politicians wet dream.

As for LOIC attacks...not very relevant if what Ex_MislTech says is true. As I haven't caught him in a lie, assume he/she is being honest.

If there are major backdoors to 103 odd countries built in by the Chinese and provided through counterfeight cisco sale, then those Chinese hackers have complete access to things that Anon would have to fight for.


So is Anon fact or fiction?

My opinion is they are a couple hundred that talk a big game, but hide their face when it is there butts on the line.

I encourage you to prove me wrong, because believe it or not I would like to have a Robin Hoodesque group around. I just don't think Anon is it.




posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:46 PM
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Here's a couple of threads to get you started:

This one includes a lot of Anons posting: The "Anonymous" Scientology Protest is an NSA/FBI Fishing Expedition

This one contains a great deal of sources and info: Round 1: OzWeatherman vs schrodingers dog: Anonymous vs Scientology



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 09:50 PM
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Thank you very much, give me a day or two to read and digest and I will give a response.




posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 10:37 PM
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So is Anon fact or fiction?


Anonymous is "real" but frequently misunderstood.

This might help. Due to flash ads, this article is probably not safe for work.



If anon had 10's of millions of members, and
they were growing everyday


Anonymous is not a group. It does not have members. Forgive me if I can't properly attribute the quote, but anonymous has been described as being like a flock of brids. There's no formal membership. There's no newsletter or annual fees or secret handshake. When birds join the flock, they're now part of the flock, but there's nothing different about them. They're the same birds they were before they joined the flock, and they'll still be the same birds when they leave.

"Anonymous" is the flock.



[edit on 4-8-2010 by LordBucket]



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 01:08 AM
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Meh, I never said that they would LOIC the nets central hubs, actually I specifically said they WOULDN'T, but they could and it would be more successful than the Chinese trying to take over the internet.

Also as stated above, I didn't say their members were in the tens of millions... there are no "members". But their numbers are in the tens of millions.

It's something you'd have to be a part of to truly understand. But it is most certainly real.

If you think they're all bad and don't stand for anything good, well, at the moment they are fighting the ACTA, and you can too. Just go to this link and leave the page open: www.anti-acta.com...



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 06:17 AM
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I would also advise you read the ED page, but if you really want to understand what Anon is, the easiest explanation is this: First off, it is not a group, there are no members, if somebody calls for an operation or project or raid to take place, people will work together on it, but after that its just a mess, i suggest you try and read 1 page of /b/. Anon is not organized in any way whatsoever, its a way for somebody to get something done by having others help, wether that thing be good or bad. Anon is like both the asshole and angel of the internet. They strongly fight corruption, but they usually only do something like that "for teh lulz", basically when they are fighting evil people, etc... they (mostly) are only doing it to see the reaction of said people. Some exceptions are project chanology, which was the scientology attack, which started for teh lulz but ended in real life protests, another example is their getting arrested a man who possessed child pornography, and a kid who posted videos on youtube abusing his cat. But then in another spectrum they are assholes, they raid sites which have done nothing for the same lulz, they feed on teh lulz.


Heres a nice quote summing it up:
"Chances are that if you're reading this, you have at least a passing familiarity with Anonymous. For those who don't, it's a sort of internet meme/subculture type of thing, strongly associated with 4chan, that commits acts both online and and in the real world, sometimes good, sometimes bad and always "for the lulz." I don't really get it myself, to be quite honest, but I do know enough to stay out of its way. "

[edit on 5-8-2010 by TheDebunkMachine]



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 06:26 AM
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To me, it just sounds like a few children and teenagers latching onto the current ''in'' thing - and then s'n-word'ing at how ''clever'' they are afterwards.

I imagine they'll probably look back a bit red-faced in years to come, when they look at how they spent some of their childhood.

For anyone to suggest they've got any real ''power'' or that they can change anything, is just absurd.
They only have as much power as the recipient of their ''prank'' lets them.

EDIT: LOL. I said s n i g g e r i n g !

[edit on 5-8-2010 by Sherlock Holmes]



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 08:40 AM
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Thank you for your replies.

Haven, that is my misunderstanding then, I associate power with the ability to organize, so Anon being not organized (no formal group) is kind of hard for me to wrap my mind around.

I will reply more after I do some more reading.

Thanks to everybody with the links to other resources.






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