Wikileaks: Disinfo?, page 1


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Topic started on 28-7-2010 @ 10:59 PM by antonia
I'm quite sure I will get a lot of hate mail for this but, here I go.

I think we all might want to consider the validity of Wikileaks as a "wistleblower" outlet. There are some serious issues with the project.

The most glaring problem? The lack of security for it's informants. Both the source for the leaked documents and the massacre video were arrested after the leak. Both of these sources were outed by hackers. Wikileaks does a very poor job of protecting it's sources. Is this on purpose? There is little known on Assange, but it is known he was part of a computer hacker group know as the Chaos Computer Club back in the 80's according to Wayne Madsen and others.

www.csmonitor.com...

He has lied about his background continually. His degrees appear to come from diploma mills according to some sources. Are we looking at a CIA patsy (plant)? Think about it, the documents leaked really weren't that important. If you read the paper you pretty much knew everything contained in those documents. There is also the strange combo of papers, all with heavy ties to the government. As for this being some kind of surprise to the White House, well that doesn't make much sense as the New York Times indicates it ASKED if it was ok to publish the documents. There are also issues with authenticating all of the documents as there are no paper copies.

Then you have the spin on the stories themselves. They seem to single out Iran and Pakistan. It almost seems like this is perfectly timed to start pointing fingers at a new enemy at the tail end of the CFR faction saying the war in Afghanistan is a failure.

Which leads to the point: Maybe Wikileaks is simply a disinfo outlet. They give out small amounts of good info and then put out documents to attack who they are made to. Their board is populated with hackers who seem tied to the Soros/left wing faction. Interestingly, Soros got in a spat with a certain congressman who had all his campaign contributions published on Wikileaks shortly after the spat.

So, I ask: Is it possible we are all being duped by Wikileaks?


reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 11:35 PM by time91
I just did a thread about this, but when I posted it my computer crashed, so I'm glad you made one.
John Young, who runs cryptome.org (a site older than wikileaks), has claimed that wikileaks is a CIA front. Wayne Madsen has also said he believes that wikileaks is a CIA front. The documents recently released from the Afghan war implicate pakistan is funding resistance, which plays nicely into a ramp up of military activity expanding our empire in the middle east, as first outlined by Zbigniew Brzezinski in 'the grand chessboard'. The first consequence of the leaks has been the administration threatening Pakistan, which doesn't make any logical sense at all.
1) Our intelligence agencies created most of these other agencies, and have very strong ties to the ISI (Pakistan's intelligence agency)
2) The military already had these documents, so why are we just now moving on Pakistan, unless these documents were released to stir up public support for a ramp up of military operations in Pakistan?

Also, Assange appears to be trained at engaging crowds, and recently on a talk show did some things I believe were planned. He takes off his jacket (reminiscent of what Obama did), and then his cell phone rings (planned?) a minute into the interview. While these things may be coincidental, they may not be. By the end he has the place giving a standing ovation.

Another factor leading me to believe wikileaks may not be as altruistic as they claim is their excessive fundraising. Cryptome is a similar site, and it costs just over $100 to keep that site running. Wikileaks fundraising goals were around 5 million.
None of these things mean absolutely that it is a front, but the evidence is mounting.
Here is an article covering some of these topics at redacted news:
Wikileaks: Truth serving lies?


reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 11:54 PM by superluminal11
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Are we looking at a CIA patsy (plant)???


Somewhat but on a larger level.

Actually you are looking at an entire COINTELPRO disinfo platform. Sure they arrest some folks here and there and call them army intel analysts that were either traitors or incompetent just to make it look legit.

Military Intelligence is truly an oxymoron

If it were that big of a deal they would have already made the website and its founders disappear.

Back to the whistle blowers on other forums- Some of what you see on Project Camelot are legit however, the content is so whacked out there in lala land no one ever takes it seriously regarding stargates, ets, super soldier programs etc. So they don't worry about this info because like I said..it is seen as utter nonsense even amongst those you would think were in the know.

Wikileaks is actually made for its intended purpose.

Wiki serves a purpose and the leaks are pretty much 100% controlled leaks.

My step sisters husband is an ex colonel in the marines thats an executive big wig for a very futuristic defense contractor. Either he is thoroughly convinced that these far out programs don't exist or the money is really good.

If I was getting paid a chunk I would probably play retarded if I knew the truth as well. Laugh at all the ET UFO people tell folks...that's just absurd.

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reply posted on 29-7-2010 @ 12:55 AM by Drunkenshrew
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The most glaring problem? The lack of security for it's informants. Both the source for the leaked documents and the massacre video were arrested after the leak. Both of these sources were outed by hackers. Wikileaks does a very poor job of protecting it's sources. Is this on purpose?


John Young is one of Wikileaks’ early founders and one of the organization’s more prominent critics. Here is what he has to say about confidentiality of sources (I recommend the whole interview):
Wikileaks pledges to maintain the confidentiality of sources and stressed that in the presentation over the weekend. Do you offer your contributors the same guarantee?

Young: No. That’s just a pitch. You cannot provide any security over the Internet, much less any other form of communication. We actually post periodically warnings not to trust our site. Don’t believe us. We offer no protection. You’re strictly on your own. We also say don’t trust anyone who offers you protection, whether it’s the U.S. government or anybody else. That’s a story they put out. It’s repeated to people who are a little nervous. They think they can always find someone to protect them. No, you can’t. You’ve got to protect yourself. You know where I learned that? From the cypherpunks.

So Wikileaks cannot protect people. It’s so leaky. It’s unbelievable how leaky it is as far as security goes. But they do have a lot of smoke blowing on their site. Page after page after page about how they’re going to protect you. And I say, oh-oh. That’s over-promising. The very over-promising is an indication that it doesn’t work. And we know that from watching the field of intelligence and how governments operate. When they over-promise, you know they’re hiding something. People who are really trustworthy do not go around broadcasting how trustworthy I am.


alethonews.wordpress.com...

On 911blogger.com are two articles, which follow your line of thinking. I am likewise far from convinced, that Wikileaks is a genuine organization and Assange a trustworthy arbiter.

Latest Wikileaks serving military industrial complex
Chris Floyd skewers Wikileaks

Most of the commentators also are very suspicious of Wikileaks and Assange.

Here is one of the comments posted on that website:
The main stream (CIA controlled) media is giving this a lot of attention and in so doing propping up Wikileaks. Therefore you can be absolutely certain of two things:

1. Nothing that Wikileaks 'leaks' is or will be a threat to them.

2. They'll benefit from it somehow. If Wikileaks were a threat ,they certainly wouldn't draw attention to it! They'd ignore it like 911 Truth.

My guess is that it is sort of a sting operation designed to catch whistle blowers & to contain leaks. It's also a conduit through which they can release information they want released. I can't help but think that the 'P' in TAP (as in pipeline) stands for Pakistan. I could guess they're next. The question is do they come before or after Iran?

911blogger.com...



reply posted on 29-7-2010 @ 02:04 AM by airspoon
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If Assange is who we think he is, then it would be very tough to flip him. I would say that he was disinfo from the get-go, only that TPTB had build a little crediility, hence the releases up until now. Nothing ever released by wikileaks was that damaging or influential. There is no reason to believe that Assange was ever legit.

As I have said many times before in other threads, this could easily be the government purposefully leaking certain information, though that still doesn't account for Assange himself and why the US has not either detained, arrested or at the very least, have his own government rescend his passport.

--airspoon

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reply posted on 29-7-2010 @ 07:41 AM by antonia
Originally posted by new_here
Someone please explain the justification for the White House green-lighting the release of this sensitive, top secret material to MSM, knowing full well it would go viral all over tarnation.


I think you missed part of what was said: Nothing revealed was unknown. Nor did it really put anyone at risk. You have to read the material. It you have been paying attention to news for the last two years then you know everything that was released in that material.

Now as to why it was released: You need to understand the White House doesn't truly want to stay in Afghanistan. They really want to bring the war to Pakistan or Iran. Note the number of stories being released claiming Afghanistan is a failure? Note how this info released is being used to target Iran and Pakistan. Note the new "Bin Laden" info. These may be forgeries, but they are being used in the media to justify more aggression in these countries.

Iran is reaching a breaking point. I think the attack will most likely be soon if at all, probably within the next 3 or 4 months. Why? Brzezinski's (long time NWO man) and Soro's attempt at a color revolution in Iran failed. Naturally the hawks are circling saying "See, we have to attack". No more soft glove tactics. You will remember an article poster here a week or so ago with a former CIA op saying we need to attack Iran? That's just one of several of the same ilk. I think we are in for some trouble.
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