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Originally posted by KingAtlas
I hate to post this because someone will think im crazy, but it was just a stupid idea i had, which is probably wrong.Actually most likely wrong. And i hate posting somethign without knowing more about it but, this site is about sharing ideas right, even crazy ones? haha
Okay so we have all heard of the Planes dropping the chems right, but i was thinking, what if they are cloud-seeding? because of global warming, they dont want anyone freaking so the keep us full of rain by cloud-seeding even though the environment is changing. normalize the environment and no one will question the environment? Probly crazy talk haha just a thought.
Originally posted by Cybernet
reply to post by OzWeatherman
Look, I'm not a scientist, but contrails and chemtrails simply look different. I see both all the time and they're not the same. And don't ask me why, I don't produce them.
ALSO, They are currently "Chemtrailing" over the gulf of mexico right now with Corexit. They have been doing it both low to the ground and high in the sky.
I do have a question for you though Oz weatherman. On my last trip to the UK I saw a plane flying near the one I was on with a humongous trail of white "smoke". When at altitude are contrails visible as when you are on the ground looking up?
Originally posted by virgom129
reply to post by Chadwickus
and by ‘seeding’ these clouds to reflect more sunlight away from the Earth, global warming could be slowed
Sorry, sounds like seeding to me...
Like I said Chad, I'm not into the Chemtrails thing as a way to wipe out 90% of the worlds population but lets atleast agree we are being sprayed with things we dont know about...
Originally posted by mutantgenius
My Q though, if they have been practicing it since the 50's then have they been perfecting the technique? The answer is, of course they have. Now the question is which part of the disgracefully sinister military complex is applying this technology elsewhere?
If it is not practical then why this
1. The combined plow and gun
Patent no 35600, issued 1862...
2. Device for waking persons from sleep
Patent no 256265, issued 1882...
3. Balloon propelled by eagles or vultures
Patent no 863087, issued 1887...
9. Alarm-equipped fork
US patent 5,421,089, issued 1995...
Also a few other interesting things, especially the climate change committee which covers chemtrail operations beginning some time in the near future. If it is not practical then why is our government pushing to implement it on a global scale? Wouldn't that just be silly?
Aluminum is common in soils--it's a major component of clay--but only in acidic soils does the metal form an ion that can dissolve into liquids and that's toxic to plants. Acidic soils make up as much as half the world's croplands... Plant breeders are working on developing strains that can cope better with toxic aluminum, but they have only been able to make incremental improvements, Larsen says.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by __rich__
A 1% difference in average temperature?
Not that it's relevant....because any "average" one wishes to assign has rather broad implications, doesn't it?
What I mean is, should we include ALL the extremes of temperature, to include both poles, and the equator? And everything in-between?
I think this is symptomatic of just why the debate over so-called "global warming", or better, 'climate change', is still ongoing.
The Earth's environment is complex, chaotic, and just possibly may be virtually impossible to ever be able to adequately model, for predictive purposes.
Toss in the fact of the Earth's axial tilt, and therefore the seasonal variations, as the planet orbits...the ellipse of the orbit, and the variables of distance from the Sun (may not be a big factor, but we just don't know..), and other Solar and extra-Solar variables --- to include differences in the total energy emitted by the Sun in a cyclical manner, and the fact that our entire Solar System is constantly moving, en masse, and it is unknown if any extraneous material (such as increased amounts of dust, for instance) also may play a factor, if encountered during our 'travels' as we orbit about the center of our Galaxy....
There is still a great deal of data to collect, and studies to be undertaken...our science may be incapable....it certainly is hampered right now, by a lot of missing information.
I happen to think that the biota on this planet is remarkably adaptable. It is a harsh truth of nature, that only the fittest survive...they adapt, or they perish, eventually. Adaptation varies in almost infinite ways, too...depends on the level of environmental pressures, the type of changes, the organisms, and their rate of reproduction/mutation/adaptation abilities...
WE are the unique species, as we have a skill that others do not --- for survivability, we have technological abilities, and the intellect to use them, and invent new ones.
Reason the notion of any sort of wide-scale and currently on-going and active program of so-called "chemtrails" is a fantasy, is because of its incredibly difficult logistical hurdles, as I've often written, and also the fact that NO ONE has yet a definitve answer, and thus a course of action to embark upon.
Better to do NOTHING, rather than attempt some misguided effort, and endup making things worse by those actions.
I say do NOTHING, except the more passively oriented sorts of things already ongoing, such as 'cleaner" everything, recycling of waste, and efforts to reduce dependence on fossil fuels, just to name a few....
...because, again...this planet's biosphere is very resilient. Resilient in the sense that if 'damaged', it too will adapt. AND, I'm not sure that any significant changes will occur so rapidly, as to be noticeable...except as an "after-the-fact" sort of thing, over many, many human generations of recording data.
SO....although there is little doubt that Human activity over the entire course of the last nearly two centuries, since the advent of the Industrial Revolution has caused changes in our environment....even agriculture, involving our change from nomadic lifestyles, going on for thousands of years, have an effect too.
Yet, ALL of that has had a minimal cumulative effect, over all those years..."chemtrails" are simply an uber-paranoid delusional fantasy, as the science and efficacy behind them is still sketchy...regardless of those sources linked, previously. Those are still "paper tigers" of theory, and many people have made incredible claims in past, only to fail in the practical implementation efforts of their "grand ideas"...
Worst case scenario, and everything I've written about dire environmental consequences just over the horizon? That they ARE worse, going to get worse, and are accelerating? Well...WE can adapt, even if it's painful. As a species, WE can survive....I don't think the current biosphere has any danger of turning into another Venus, for example....and the reason we will endure, is the technological edge we enjoy.
Even without that, we STILL would survive, overall....just a lesser final population, I imagine...
Sorry....I got wordy, maybe from over-thinking the darn thing....
I almost forgot --- speaking of agriculture, that goes hand-in-hand with animal husbandry. I'm talking about herds of methane-spewing critters, here....creatures that, if not for us, might not have as great a chance at large population survival, in the face of predation in nature...
...still, I found this innovative possible "solution" to the methane problem:
[edit on 29 July 2010 by weedwhacker]
The Dallas-based carrier is using the EcoPower system offered by East Hartford, Conn.-based flight technology firm Pratt & Whitney Global Service Partners. Terms of the deal weren't disclosed, but Pratt & Whitney said Southwest's annual fuel-cost savings could exceed $20 million. The airline also stands to cut 135 million pounds of carbon dioxide emissions annually as a result.
As an AF brat, I grew up seeing contrails and they are not like the ones in the sky now. What flight patterns crisscross like that?
Why don't they dissipate for an hour or so?
Living near 3 AF bases (one now closed) and an international airport, no activity from them accounts for this. This is a deliberate pattern to disperse whatever it is they are spewing.
I have also read accounts of pilots, maintenance people, and a higher up who have seen the modified innards of aircraft...