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You know you are in a depression when ...

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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 11:51 AM
Great piece by Rosie via Zerohedge. A must read.

"Congress moved to extend jobless benefits seven times, as has been the case over the past two years, at a time when almost half of the ranks of the unemployed have been looking for at least a half year.

The unemployment rate for adult males (25-54 years) hit a post-WWII this cycle and is still above the 1982 recession peak, and the youth unemployment rate is stuck near 25%. These developments will have profound long-term consequences – social, economic and political.

The fiscal costs of the depression continue to mount, with the White House on Friday raising its deficit projection for 2011 to $1.4 trillion from $1.267 trillion. That gap in the forecast – $133 billion – was close to the size of the entire budget deficit back in 2002. Amazing.

You also know it is a depression when you find out on the weekend that the FDIC seized and shuttered another seven banks, making it 103 closures for the year. What a recovery!

Meanwhile, how are the surviving banks making money? By cutting their provisions for bad debts (at a time when the household debt/income ratio is still near record highs of 120% and at a time when one-quarter of the consumer universe has a sub-600 FICO score – which means they are also ineligible for Fannie or Freddie mortgage financing. The banks thus far have reduced their loan loss reserves between 23% (Cap One) and 73% (First Horizon) – as Jamie Dimon said last week, these are not real earnings.

You also know it's a depression when a year into a statistical recovery, the central bank is still openly contemplating ways to stimulate growth. The Fed was supposed to have already started the process of shrinking its pregnant balance sheet four months ago and is now instead thinking of restarting Quantitative Easing. Of course, we are in this bizarre environment where bank credit continues to contract – last week alone, bank wide consumer credit outstanding fell $2.2 billion; real estate lending contracted $9.2 billion; and commercial & industrial loans slid $5.1 billion.

What did the banks do this past week? They replaced cash with government securities – the $47.5 billion net buying was the second largest in the past three years. As the banks find few opportunities to lend – households are either not creditworthy enough to lend to or are busy paying off debts and companies that do have any expansion plans have enough cash on their balance sheet to finance their initiatives – they are likely to use their $1 trillion in excess reserves buying government and related securities, especially with the yield curve so steep and the Fed ensuring that it has no intention of taking the 'carry' away for a long, long time.

Did we mention that you also know you are in some sort of depression when after two years of record $1+ trillion deficit financing to kick-start the economy, the yield on the 5-year note is sitting at 1.8%? What do you think that tells you? It tells you that the private credit market is basically defunct, especially when it comes to the securitized loans, which played such a critical role in promoting leveraged economic growth from 2001 to 2007 – the amount of securitized credit that has vanished since the credit bubble burst two years ago is $1.4 trillion – 40% of this market is gone. And what replaced it was this rampant government intervention into the economy – aimed at putting a floor under the economy. But insofar as the government stimulus fades and the contraction in credit persists, it will be interesting to see what sort of spending, output and income growth we are going to see in the near- and intermediate-term.

And as a must read tangent, here is Rosie on the market's most recent addiction to barbiturates, lithium, xanax and geodon all at the same time (not to mention the Fed's daily bouts of monetary heroin withdrawal, coupled with the market regulator's taxpayer funded pornography addiction bills). That probably explains it - to trade one really has to be stoned 24/7, or to at least do the 180 degree opposite of what makes sense."

Edit to add "Quotes"

[edit on 7/27/2010 by semperfortis]

posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 09:13 PM
reply to post by leo123

You know you're in a depression when you go to the Armed Forces recruiting center and they tell you there are no vacancies....

Which is what happened to me.

I'm on a wait list.

posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:39 AM
When young people want to now how to start a farm....raise chickens to eat, and buy stuff off of the clearance rack at our farm store.

When most of the fencing and electric fencing sold is for gardens and not livestock.

When you can buy a pick up for me and get the car for free for my wife... really.

When ciy folks are asking how to can vegetables and how to freeze and dry food.

When everybody unemployed starts selling firewood and cuts into my firewood business.

When you see Mercedes and Infinities parked in front of Goodwill stores.

posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:58 AM
reply to post by AlreadyGone

How true...
I drive a volvo stationwagon and it can be seen
parked in front of the goodwill stores.That is where
I bought my nightshirts,dutch oven for canning 4oz jars,
towels that I'm using in the masterbath.
What a lot of people don't know,there are stores that
donate unsold items to goodwill.I bought a wool coat
that still had the store tags on it.I had the coat dry cleaned
and I wear it in the winter.
In this day and age you can't afford to be a snob.

posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:34 AM
I heard that. I have children the feed, and a family to take care of. I am not too proud to take charity either. Just last evening a store that was closing here in town went out of business, and gave away the last truck load of bread that had. There must have been a hundred people around there getting free bread. There isn't a job here even if you offered money for one. I have a neighbor who is trying to raise a baby on $7.25 an hour, and he has to commute 18 miles a day to get that. Good thing I learned to live on the cheap in the last recession. Can it get any worse? I find myself now moving to another State to take advantage of better services and more jobs. How many will have to move to get work, I wonder?

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