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The Anatomy of a Precognitive Dream

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posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 01:02 PM
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The Anatomy of a Precognitive Dream.
By Ian Wilson (2010) Public Domain No Copyrights.

Definition
A precognitive dream is a type of dream that comes true as a future event. It is also known as Déjà Rêvé (Art Funkhouser, Dr. Vernon Neppe).[1] It can bring about the same sensations associated with Déjà Vu such as the Déja Vu Aura, goose-bumps etc.

Types of Precognitive Dreams

  1. Symbolic Precognitive Dream.
  2. Literal Precognitive Dream.
  3. 3rd Person Precognitive Dream.
  4. Lucid Precognitive Dream.[2]


    Symbolic Precognitive Dream
    Dream symbolism abstracts the precognitive information and generally is not realized up until the actual event. This can be a very difficult type of dream to identify as a type of precognitive dream, however certain symbols in the dream can match or greatly exaggerate the future event when it actualizes. The accuracy and quality of this type of dream should be considered of a low grade type of precognition.

    Literal Precognitive Dream
    From a first-person view, this type of precognitive dream in literal detail. What you sense, think and feel in the dream can actualize in the future-tense when the dream actualizes. This dream can bring about a Déjà Vu aura however linking the memory of the déjà to a dream is what classifies this type of dream as Déjà Rêvé.

    3rd Person Precognitive Dream
    From a third-person vantage point, this type of precognitive dream can take on both symbolic and literal similarities however does not suggest that the information being observed will occur from a first-person point of view.

    Lucid Precognitive Dream
    A lucid dream is a dream where a person is awake and realizes that they are dreaming. This alert and awakened focus state also can emerge within the phenomena of precognitive dreams. This type of precognitive dream can have an even more pronounced déjà vu aura then a non-lucid precognitive dream. Robert Waggoner explains there are two types of lucid precognitive dreams: Active and Ambient.[4]
    In an active lucid precognitive dream, the dreamer actively tries to engage the precognitive dream, where in an ambient lucid dream the dreamer passively observes the dream remaining within the usual dream flow.

    History
    Babylonian "Epic of Gilgamesh" a Sumerian Poem suggests precognitive dreams in tablet 1 where Gilgamesh dreams about the imminent arrival of two companions, or the ominous dream received by Enkidu on tablet 6. The "Epic of Gilgamesh" is one of considered one of the oldest works of literature and predates biblical text at approximately 2150BC and could be one of the earliest suggestions of precognitive dreams.[5]

    Aristotle published a paper entitled "On Prophesying by Dreams" [6]written in 350BC which questions with skepticism the validity of claims by those who say they have dreams of the future. He does not completely refute the notion of precognitive dreams, however understands that much of what is dreamed could be coincidence. It's clear that ancient Greeks subscribed to prophecy as evident in Homer's "Iliad" and "Odyssey" where in Cassandra is granted the gift of prophecy by Apollo. The Greek God Morpheus resides in a land of Dreams somewhere in the Underworld where two gates exist, one that sends false dreams through the gate of ivory, and the other that sends prophetic dreams gate of horns.

    Theory
    Answers to why precognitive dreams occur may lie in quantum mechanics and the effects on consciousness. If future information exists, as suggested by people who claim to experience precognition, certain theories in Physics might apply, for example Hugh Everett many-worlds interpretation [6], which is an evolving theory stemming from Erwin Schrödinger's cat paradox [7].

    In a quantum view of a many-world system, every possible past, present and future probability could theoretically exist as probability. We know through quantum superposition that a particle can exist in every possible state until observed. Physicists are just starting to understand quantum information, and if this information is non-linear and existing within an astronomical data-set, it is possible that the Universe has organized into a complex information system and data structure that had per-populated itself with a myriad of probability that may exist in an astronomical scale.

    Stuart Hameroff[8] proposes that the human brain is both a Neurocomputer and Quantum computer [9]. The link to the computational nature of the brain and how quantum mechanics may link to consciousness could explain that some type of entanglement and superposition affects human consciousness. Pemrose and Hameroff [10] have discerned that the brain uses coherent photons as part of the brain mechanics and is used to preform information processing. Photons contribute to what we view as consciousness, and consciousness itself may have quantum states that through time and research we can unravel.

    The Universe itself can be viewed as information that our brains must access and render into a model that we call subjective reality. A unique first-person vantage point within an objective dataset. Regardless of how objective reality is, it must always be subjectively experienced by a conscious observer.

    The nature of quantum mechanics is revealing through superposition that matter and energy could also be viewed as information. If we consider the Universe as an information system, then past/present/future could exist in every possible conceived state as probability and data. Digital Physics, first termed by Edward Fredkin [10] has emerged with serious considerations that Reality itself could be computative in nature, a Universal computer so to speak.

    This idea is supported by Tom Campbell "My Big Toe"[11], Brian Witworth "The Physical World as Virtual Reality"[12], Seth Lloyd "Programming the Universe"[13], Stephen Wolfram "Cellular Automata"[14], Max Tegmark "Mathematical universe hypothesis"[15] and the list goes on.

    In Brian Witworths work, there is a quote that seems to resonate with the nature of precognitive dreams, "This makes this world a recursive interface, that both sends to and receives from itself. If so, it is like no other information interface that we know."

    It is in this quote and within the nature of precognitive dreams that we may see the emergence of the recursive feedback in the form of probable reality in a dream, to the actualized reality when the dream comes true. It could be suggested that the precognitive dream itself is a form of reality per-programming within this recursive interface, and the actualization of the dream is the feedback within the greater system.

    How is this possible? What are the mechanics that drive this system and allows for non-linear, non-localized dreams to actualize into reality? At this point, we have theories and ideas evolving from those who understand and see a relationship between consciousness and reality. If we look again at physics, there is another anomaly that suggests the observe affects wave-function collapse: "Wave function, initially in a superposition of different eigenstates, appears to reduce to a single one of the states after interaction with an observer. In simplified terms, it is the condensation of physical possibilities into a single occurrence, as seen by an observer."

    The observer effect brings about the measurement problem in Quantum Mechanics and stirs the debate if wave-function collapse occurs at all, however the Double-slit experiment[16] demonstrates wave / particle duality and further entangles the observer into the role of one who collapses wave function.

    This is an interesting enigma within science, it suggests a link between the observer and the observed. That deterministic probability is being actualized as the observer renders reality through the act of collapsing wave-function and probability. It seems like a stretch to the imagination but we are talking about precognitive dreams here.

    Dreaming for the most part is a passive experience where we project our thoughts, ideas and emotions into a virtual 3D world based on the principles of organized thought. At some point within this creative process of dreaming, certain dreams appear to qualify as "precognitive" in nature. A seeming unknown potential that does not become apparent to the dreamer, until the dream actualizes and the individual is left with the realization that what was once dreamed of, is now actual.

    Anatomy of a Precognitive Dream
    If we take for face value what a precognitive dream is, it is a type of dream that has future potential. In order for such a dream to come true, it must actualize into an event in physical reality. In the case of a literal precognitive dream, the dream is observed from a subjective vantage point, the physical event that the dream actualizes into must also be perceived from the same subjective vantage point.

    This suggests that reality exists in two states: A state by which a person can dream of a future event, and a state where this event actualizes into a physical event. It suggests there is a direct relationship between what is dreamed, and what is later experienced in reality.

    In a linear context, the precognitive dream pre-dates the physical event that it represents. In looking at the origin of the physical event. We have an answer to a Causality Dilemma known as, "What came first, the chicken or the egg?" In the case of "What came first, the dream or reality", in the case of precognitive dreaming, the precognitive dream came first.

    [continued]




posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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Precognitive dreaming is in fact a paradox that exists within the subjective vantage point of certain observers who have had enough memory, awareness and perception during a certain dream that qualifies as a precognitive event. What also makes this unique is that people who often have precognitive dreams, have a varying degree of frequency, clarity and quality. It can range from one precognitive dream in their entire life, to many.

Then there are those who do not have any precognitive dreams, they may not have first-person experience with this paradox to even begin accepting that such a phenomena is real and possible. For the most part, these people are skeptical of others who claim they have. It is up to you to decide what dreams you have had, that qualify as precognitive or not. You can only know through the process of actualization if a dream has any precognitive worth.

A reason as to why this is, (Why some do and some don't) may have been answered by Tom Campbell who wrote the trilogy entitled, "My Big Toe"[11], where he describes the Psi Uncertainty Principle. The Psi Uncertainty Principle allows for individual growth in areas that may be construed as paranormal or spiritual, without affecting or having impact on others who are not ready to grow in certain areas. Precognitive dreams certainly fit within the described theory as something that affects individual growth more so then affecting many with any mass effect.

Tom also suggests there is a metaphorical big computer (TBC) that organizes data into reality. This idea takes us back to digital physics and virtual reality theory however, precognitive dreams are providing some insight as to how the program is potentially written in the first place.

In our causality dilemma, where we have a dream preceding physical reality, finding this dream / reality duality becomes very profound, the implications of what this entails may shift our entire physical paradigm into something more idealistic in nature. This becomes very apparent when we start to deconstruct dreaming into a more understandable system.

At the heart of dreaming, there is one observable fact: Dreams are organized thought.

Unlike physical reality where we have atoms, molecules and gravitational forces etc. Dreams are mind-generated thoughts organized into an experience that is similar to how we perceive our physical reality. When you are dreaming and see light, textures and objects, every aspect of the dream environment can be reduced back to thought that has taken on the role of creating many sensory states to render out the dream experience.

There are no atoms, molecules or gravitational forces, everything is thought. Evidence that thought can form audible and visual patterns in our mind stem from self-evident exploration of your own thought process. Sub-vocalization of your voice occurs when you read. It is common to have an internal faint voice sounding out the words within your mind. This is an example of thought taking on the form of sound. Another example is imagining an image in your mind. If you imagine an apple or an orange, you might have a faint visual image in your mind of these objects. If you close your eyes, relax the images can become quite vivid and strong.

Thought has the ability to mimic sensory states and dreaming is a prime example of sub-vocalization and visualization taken to the next level. All the five physical sense can be observed in dreams, and each of them are following the same principles of sub-vocalization. It is organized thought organized into non-verbal thought forms to render your ideas into a virtual reality experience within the dream state.

If dreams are thoughts? How does this apply to a dream that has precognitive potential? It would certainly appear that all the information in a dream is organized thought, more specifically, your thoughts. If this is the case? How is it that something that starts as organize thought, later actualizes into a physical even in your waking reality? This is one of the most challenging questions that the paradox of precognitive dreaming presents.

The nature of the experience suggests that the originating dream is the source of the soon to be actualized reality. Could our thoughts play a role in the organization of information that is later processed and made actual by Tom's metaphorical Big Computer? Are we in fact creating the precognitive dream in the same manner that we create all our dreams? The implications that stem from precognitive dreaming could change everything we thought we knew about our reality.

Reality may in fact originate from the process of dreams. Dreams may in fact be a reality programing language that later renders into an experience when the dream actualizes and is made real. In the precognitive dream paradox, we know that Physical Reality appeared first in a dream, as organized thought. What makes it different when the dream actualizes? What makes it the same? What are the relationships between these to states by which we observe an experience of reality?

I am not suggesting any answers, but it is hard to dismiss the role of thought within the original dreamed experience. The concept that thought creates reality is a very ancient idea. In the precognitive dream paradox, it may in fact have more merit then not. If we take Tom Campbell's work at face value and look at the possibility that the origins of the Universe and Reality stem from consciousness and matter originated out of how consciousness organized itself, then precognitive dreaming within consciousness space starts to provide potential evidence of a Universe that is founded on the ideas that consciousness creates.

As some one who has experienced precognitive dreaming, another step up in this experience comes from lucid dreaming. Very few people have written about what lucid precognitive dreaming actually is. Robert Waggoner, the President of the International Association for the Study of Dreams wrote in his book, "Lucid Dreaming: The Gateway to the Inner Self" [17]that there is two types of lucid precognitive dreams: Ambient and Active.

Ambient lucid precognitive dreams are where you be come awake and aware that you are dreaming. You go with the flow of the dream and when the dream actualizes and comes true, you have the self-evidence you need to affirm that you indeed were awake and conscious in a lucid precognitive dream. Active lucid precognitive dreams are where you engage the dream with action based on being lucid and awake. What action you took as a result of this decision making opportunity also actualizes when the dream comes true.

Precognitive dreaming suggests that there is a relationship between dreams and reality; it offers first-person experience with this relationship to those who have precognitive dreams. It suggests that dreams might be a type of reality programming language; a means by which we all collectively are co-creating an objective reality through subjective paradigms using a system of organized thought.

There is that saying, "Thought creates Reality". This is true for dreams; thought certainly creates dream realities. The real push is to see this working mechanically in real-life examples. It seems to me at least; precognitive dreaming presents this revelation. The implications for this if true; is staggering.

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posted on Jul, 21 2010 @ 01:03 PM
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Author
Ian Wilson
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References

  1. A. T. Funkhouser, Ph.D. (2001) "Perspectives - Vol. 6, No. 1 - Dreams and Deja Vu
  2. Linda Magallón The Lucid Dream Exchange (1994) "Lucid Precognitive Dreams"
  3. Robert Waggoner (2003) "Lucid Dreaming for Precognitive Information
  4. Wikipedia "Epic of Gilgamesh"
  5. Aristotle (350BC) "On Prophesying by Dreams"
  6. Hugh Evrett Many-Worlds Interpretation (wiki)
  7. Erwin Schrödinger's cat parodox (wiki)
  8. Stuart Hameroff Official Website
  9. Penrose-Hameroff (2007) The Brain is Both Neurocomputer and Quantum Computer
  10. Penrose-Hameroff (1998)Quantum Computation In Brain Microtubules?
  11. Tom Campbell (2005) "My Big Toe"
  12. Brian Witworth (2007) "The Physical World as Virtual Reality"
  13. Seth Lloyd "Programming the Universe: A Quantum Computer Scientist Takes On the Cosmos"
  14. Stephen Wolfram (1982)"Cellular Automata as Simple Self-Organizing Systems"
  15. Max Tegmark "Mathematical universe hypothesis"
  16. Double-slit experiment (wiki)
  17. Robert Waggoner "Lucid Dreaming: The Gateway to the Inner Self"



    [edit on 21-7-2010 by YouAreDreaming]



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 01:28 AM
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Excellent thread, well researched, and interested subject matter. Starred and flagged my good man.

As someone who has had literal precognitive dreams from the first person perspective I can't help but find them fascinating. Once I opened my mind a crack I noticed that things were a bit different than I previously thought them to be, and precognitive dreaming is just one example. As for whether these dreams create reality aka some form of idealism or whether it's more a factor of time not being as linear as it seems I'm not sure. This area needs to be much further researched. First they need to get people who can precognitive dream at will, then they need to get them to go lucid, then they need to see what happens.

To me being lucid in one of these precognitive dreams isn't really that much of a stretch because when it happens in waking reality you're more than likely to be lucid.

If this ever gets understood it could lead to some cool stuff, but then again like any tool I'm sure it could be misused too.



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 01:17 PM
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Thanks Merle8,

And thanks for sharing your personal experience with literal precognitive dreaming. I know through my personal experience with LPD that it's very real; at least to me based on personal evidence.

To share that with others is a gift; as I know that it's more common then we think and open forum discussions such as these really help bring a community of precognitive dreamers together to discuss and grow with the science of precognition.

Had I not had the expeirences; I would never for a second believe that any of this was true. The Quantum Mechanic view of precognition does have some level of interest; as does the computative nature of the Universe and digital physics.

It will be interesting to see how the science evolves as many intelligent people are researching and publishing on this phenomena.



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 07:46 PM
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I just wanted to add a footnote: Art Funkhouser contacted me and wanted to say he likes to reserve the term Déjà Rêvé for a dream remembered at the moment of the occurring Déjà experience and if the person remembers the dream clearly prior to the actualization; then it should be simply called a precognitive dream.

It is a bit technical but in his line of research; he deals with a very broad range of "déjà experiences" so the need to be very technical and detailed is apparent.

The other footnote is the use of the term "aura" as it has the unfortunate link to TLE so I want to emphasis for technical purposes that a precognitive dream aura is not at all the TLE or Migraine aura and a scientific classification to distinguish aura types is most likely needed and pending.

He has also provided a link to a form for anyone interesting in submitting their Déjà experiences at: silenroc.com...

He als provided me a link with a lot of information about what Dr. Neppe and Dr. Funkhouser call "déjà experiences" at www.deja-experience-research.org...



[edit on 22-7-2010 by YouAreDreaming]



posted on Jul, 22 2010 @ 08:17 PM
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Excellent thread! Well researched and very well written. I can't say that I've ever had a precognitive dream as I rarely remember them. Most of the dreams I remember upon waking are nonsense but a few are disturbing. Those haven't come true thankfully. I think the disjointed dreams are due to my high pain levels.



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 10:50 AM
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There is no question that this is very complicated experiences at work. It is hard to describe the mechanics at work because they exist outside of a linear and physical accessible framework.

Precognitive information itself is non-linear and non-localized not to mention that when we dream; we can reside within several focus states oblivious to certain other aspects because where our attention is focus is what ends up giving us the result of the dream experience.

How to get one to focus their attention on precognitive potential in a dreamstate is a bit of a technical concept. I think it's plausible to focus on the idea thus attract more attention to a particular focus state that achieves access to this data.

It may be a spiritual evolutionary requirement. There is a lot that simply I do not know about the whole process other then affirming success in having the experience.

Some other noteworthy threads I have since published are:
Dreaming a "Century of Time" During one Night of Sleep.
Shared Dreaming - Real life Inception

I think these compliment the ideas in this post with other references and sources that help support the ideas they present. Thanks for the reply.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 10:34 PM
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Nice thread OP!

I have had these types of dreams through out my life - nothing spectacular but just exact events, and what was said at each moment - usually being very small snippets. Confuses me and astounds me at the same time.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 10:42 PM
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Dreaming, your threads are very informative and enlightening. I have experienced a deja vu feeling in my dreams quite often but would dismiss it as nothing more than "I'm certain i've dreamed this before", Never really exploring it further. The mind is a sensational thing isn't it? I look forward to more of your threads, thank you.



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 11:21 PM
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Thanks Reflections,

I know this is a real phenomena so it makes threads like this easy for me to write and encourages myself and others to really drill down for the answers as to why.

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Thanks TEW,

I have a blog post that I deconstruct a next-day symbolic precognitive dream that I posted on the 7th this seems to be surfacing in a few dreams of late.

you-are-dreaming.blogspot.com...



posted on Aug, 8 2010 @ 11:32 PM
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I read your blog, very interesting to say the least! Kind of reminds me of David Lynch movies, but that goes without saying. Are you able to lucid dream at will? I'm curious when your ability to control dreams took state.



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 12:50 AM
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Somewhere within the quotes I think, was said that those who've had no experience of precognition find it difficult if not impossible to accept it occurs. There are other reasons too, for people rejecting claims of precognition

Most cultures though, are more accepting of precognition. And many cultures accept it without question

'Science' appears to have created the scepticism and rejection as occurs re: the topic within Western cultures

So nice to see old Ian Wilson taking up the baton again and explaining how Western 'science' may in fact be used to substantiate precognition : )

For many, precognition is part of their lives and the rejection of sceptics bounces right off them. I fall into this category and under the ' You can lead horses to water but cannot make them drink'

For several years, after I'd been introduced to internet and fora/message boards, etc., I earnestly recounted precognition as experienced by myself and other members of my family. And as many do, I recounted in detail and strict honesty, in the belief the detail supplied would interest & convince. Some need no convincing, having experienced precognition themselves or witnessed its proof in trusted family members, friends, etc. Others simply are open-minded and generally accepting of other people's claimed experiences. And there are those who can and will only accept what they can see and touch or what they've personally experienced OR what they've been told is 'real and possible'


Over the years, I read everything I could find about precognition. Honesty compels me to add that if I had not experienced it myself, I would very probably be amongst the sceptics - at least as pertains to purely anecdotal accounts. When an account comes complete with proof, however, I'm far more comfortable and this would be the same for many, no doubt

For the average person, precognition isn't something which can be accomplished at will. It strikes out of the blue, for most people. Different with dream-laboratories and stricly maintained protocols of course, but then the public has reason to be suspicious of the possibility of vested interests (as in the case of 'mind-labs which promise results, for example) in the same way the public suspects the results (which may confirm precognition) of formal research are being withheld from the public, i.e., 'knowledge is power'

So, it's nice to learn (via the OP) that investigation and research are continuing and being released to the public by people such as Ian Wilson for example, who has a long track record of books pertaining to topics which lie outside the mainstream

I've no doubt whatesoever about the reality of precognition, in the same way as millions of unknown people out there who've experienced it and seen the fortold events unfold in reality. Once you've experienced it, you have no choice but to accept it. And after the first few attempts to recount the experience to others and depending upon their response, it really doesn't matter too much what others do or or do not believe. It's enough to know from personal experience that the future (so-called) has been preordained. It's been decided.
That gives the experiencer an entirely new slant on 'life'

Interestingly, precognition doesn't always present itself in the same manner, even to the same experiencer. For example (speaking here from personal experience) some precognition arrives in the form of dreams. The bulk of my own experiences have occurred this way. And it's been 'literal', i.e., what I 'saw' is what later happened, albeit sometimes it's mirror-imaged/reversed.

At other times, precognition has occurred in an instant and shortly before the actual event. On these occasions, the precognition arrives as a conviction, a 'certainty' about something. It's an 'out of the blue' thing on those occasions. It's very strong. These precognitive experiences are often referred to as 'hunches'. But it's more than a hunch or guess, at least for me: it's an instantaneous 'knowing'. It hits like a brick. It's not open to interpretation. It just is. For example, a popular example is that of someone suddenly and for no logical reason, refusing to board a bus or plane, etc. They were fine until the 'conviction' hit them out of nowhere, that the bus or plane would not reach its destination safely. It's such an irrational moment that many tell themselves they're 'being silly' and override it, often to their later regret, if they survive

I've had one veru out-of-the-ordinary experience of precognition. It was very creative and inventive and I feel privileged to have experienced it. It also serves to illustrate how varied precognition may be. Precognition in that instance arrived over a period of a couple of weeks. Imagine a 'living photo' if you can, i.e., something that appears like a standard photo, except within it things are not static/frozen. Then imagine taking a completed jig-saw of perhaps a couple of hundred pieces. Glue the living-photo over the completed jig-saw. Then separate all the pieces again. What you'd have would be a few hundred jig-saw pieces, each bearing a piece of a black and white photo. Ok ? Next, scatter the pieces in the box. And send them to someone's mind. What they would receive, to their astonishment each day as they vacuumed the floor (which is how this extraordinary precognition was conveyed to me) would be flashes in their mind of pieces of such a jig-saw

Our minds are filled with 'chatter', even when we're asleep and most certainly while we're awake. So as I vacuumed the floor each day, my mind was filled with humdrum thoughts: how to get out of a dinner-invitation; should the dog be taken to the vet; the lawns need mowing; a visit to the dentist can't be avoided any longer, etc. And in the middle of this - suddenly - would arrive dozens of images of what looked like pieces of a black and whilte jig-saw puzzle ! A bit of a mind-blip, in that for a second or two, things didn't seem quite normal. And then ... gone. Things back to normal

Well, this continued each day, and each time it was slightly different. For a start, the jig-saw pieces began joining-up, a bit at a time, just enough to get a glimse of what the overall picture was. Then a bit of background sound -- voices -- was introduced. Still moving along with this each day, the black and white turned sepia-coloured. Next, instead of jig-saw pieces joining together -- flashes of moving images began appearing. Just flashes at first, almost like subliminals. This evolved into longer snippets of the moving picture -- like very short film-clips. The voices began to form partial sentences. It was a man and a woman. Soon, images of a room and a curtain blowing in the breeze arrived complete - but very fast. As the days passed, the room was shown in more detail and now I was shown a section of a kitchen with dishes in the sink, etc.

As the days continued to pass, the man's and woman's voices could be heard in more detail: snippets of laughter, of heated argument, ordinary conversation and love-making. Then colour was introduced. Finally, as I awoke one morning some two weeks after all this had begun, I 'knew' with certainty just who the man and woman were and what this extraordinary procession of precognitive images had wished to convey. Utter certainty. The precognition had been 'finished off, completed, during the dream from which I'd just awoken

However, what I'd been shown contradicted everything I knew in real-lfe to be impossible. In 'real life' I knew the man and woman I'd seen loathed each other. Furthermore, they lived on opposite sides of the globe and intended to remain there. They'd both stated to several people on numerous occasions that they would never reside in the town which had been revealed to me via the images. I had not been in contact with either for well over a year and even then, our contact had been brief and had never at any time borne any possible relationship to what I'd been shown via the lengthy episode of precognition

Almost immediately, I contacted people known to both the man and the woman. Again, I had not been in contact with any of these people for a long time and again, our relationship was not close. I recounted what I now 'knew' about the man and woman I'd 'seen' in the images. I asked the people I contacted to make a note of the date and of what I was relaying to them -- which was that the man and woman in question would live together, would have a tempestuous relationship in a particular town

Without exception, each of those I contacted dismissed what I said. 'Rubbish' they said, 'Ridiculous. Totally out of the question. He's in Singapore and still has 3 years of his contract to run. And she only left for the US two weeks ago and won't be back for a year. They can't stand each other and there's nothing in that town (the one I specified) to attract either of them. They both consider it a hole

Those whom I'd contacted treated me very dismissingly too - it showed in their voices. I'd never before contacted them in this manner. Nor did I make a big deal about precognition. In fact all I'd asked them to do was make a note of the date upon which I'd called them, and of what I had to say about the man and woman, If what I'm saying doesn't transpire, then all it will have cost you will be the two minutes it will take you to jot this down. That's all I ask. That you make an independent record. I won't take your time by explaining. All I ask is that you make a note of this please

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posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 01:48 AM
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It happened as I'd been shown. But no-one told me for months. I only learned about it by accident when one of those I'd contacted, in turn contacted me some months later about something else entirely. During the conclusion of our conversation (I'd been asked a favour) they said, ' You know X and Y are living together in X-town, don't you ? Then, obviously uncomfortable, they said goodbye

The others I'd asked to make a note of things didn't even bother to get in touch and confirm that what I'd asked them months earlier to note down, had in fact occurred as I'd said it would

This is something I've noticed time and time again: many people are not merely sceptical about precognition and other non-mainstream phenomena -- they are hostile towards it. They demonstrate something akin to anger: anger about the phenomena and also towards those who bring it to their attention

In due time, of course, I received various confirmation re: the man and the woman. They had, beyond any doubt, both returned from overseas and very soon afterwards set up house together in the town I'd stipulated

Approx. one year later, I spoke in person to the man in question. He detailed his reasons for returning from overseas and moving to the town I'd been 'shown', also his reasons for moving-in with the woman in question. ' Cost saving' was his reason, particularly as the woman had returned suddenly and unexpectedly from the US at the same time, and had nowhere to live until she decided what to do next


Ok. It's established now that the precognitive information I received was confirmed accurate in many if not all details. The question remains -- why wasn't the information conveyed to me in one simple dream or 'knowing', as per usual -- instead of the lengthy 'jig-saw', 'flim clip', moving from black and white to sepia to full colour, method ?

This is where it becomes quite interesting, imo. First, despite hating to introduce personal information into the account, I'm compelled to state that despite not having seen or interacted with either the man or the woman for considerable time before the precognition -- I was nevertheless emotionally involved with both. I am related to one and had almost married the other, many years before. I'd rejected both for various reasons, yet still cared for them. To my mind, irrational though it may seem (and the reasons themselves don't matter here) it would have been the grossest form of betrayal for them to engage in an intimate relationship

Ok. Before any of began, the Future lay ahead, unsuspected by everyone, including me. In the past (and since) precognition hadn't beaten around the bush - it had just made itself known, usually in dreams. In the past it had given me not option but had just 'landed' impersonally, like a private tv-news item

Why then, did it tread so slowly and gently in the above instance (man, woman, relationship) ? Why did it arrive via bits of a jig-saw which morphed into brief film-clips, gradually bringing more information forth and allowing me to deal with it in increments ?

Well, let's ask how I would have dealt with it had it arrived all in one go, via a dream, as it usually does ? What would have been my reaction ? I don't know, is the honest answer. But I suspect I would have become frantic and contacted the man and woman and done all in my power to persuade them not to move in together or indulge in an affair. Because I would have been desperate to evade the deep pain it would cause me if they'd done so (the reasons for which don't matter here)

And, had I done that - had I intefered in their lives - I would have loathed myself. I would have cringed from myself. Would have been indescribably ashamed of myself and as result would have suffered justiafiable lowering of self esteem, confidence, self respect, etc.

However, because my emotions had been provided the opportunity to adjust to their forthcoming relationship by the manner in which the information was brought to me (jig-saw pieces, film clips, etc.) I was able slowly to accept what lay ahead - to accept it with grace

So now we come to the question of who / what relayed the information to me so kindly. Was it someone / something 'out there' ? Or was it an alement of my own mind ?

I don't know the answer. For years, I believed it was a very kind and wise 'someone' - possibly a long-deceased family-member

Now, I'm not sure. Who would possibly care as much for my welfare and survival as I would ? Who could possibly understand as well as I could, how deeply I'd be affected by the sudden and unexpected news that the man and woman would have an affair ?

So I'm forced to consider if some of us are not only able to 'tap into the future' / gain information via precognition but to also determine how the information is delivered/conveyed ?

Which immediately suggests we are in fact controlling all of it -- our perception of Time, of Past, Present and Future, doesn't it ?

I'm not a fan of the ' Life's an Illusion - We create our Reality' thing. For some reason, it irritates me. But then, the theory of reincarnation irritated me so profoundly that I rejected it with seething anger (and explosive argument) for years. I hated it. Even though I had very good reason to at least seriously consider it. It may be the same with the 'We Create our own Reality' issue. I've learned to be suspicious of my reactions

So there it is. For me, precognition is a fact. What interests me know is the source. Not sure I'll ever arrive at an answer.becauese 'Life ' is playing out so fast and the older you get, the more it picks up speed, lol

For those interested in the topic though, I'd recommend the slender books of T.C. Lethbridge. They're very hard to find these days. Hope they're reprinted for future generations. Would be a shame if not.

T.C. Lethbridge developed an interest in pendulums. He was a learned and very practical man and he put pendulums to good use. In the process, he developed theories about just about everything (ghosts, ley lines, curses, magic, subterannean streams and the way in which they may be responsible for much of it). And Time. Lethbridge's theory of 'heaven' never fails to delight me: he said that (according to his pendulum experiments) Heaven was about the height of the ceiling and slightly to the left. Life's never the same after you hear that : )

Precognition also intrigued Lethbridge. Via his pendulum experiments, he'd reached the conclusion that 'the future' spirals its way down to us where it becomes 'the present'. Some of us however, are able to access that 'future' before it reaches 'here'. Hence, precognition

Lots of elegant and interesting theories out there, attempting to explain precognition, Lethbridge's being but one

It's reasonable to suspect though, isn't it, that by the time we work it out, it won't matter, will seem humdrum, and we'll be preoccupied in trying to understand something else




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posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 05:05 AM
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I read your blog, very interesting to say the least! Kind of reminds me of David Lynch movies, but that goes without saying. Are you able to lucid dream at will? I'm curious when your ability to control dreams took state.



The merger of the left-brain into the right-brain dominated world of dream inspires the David Lynch effect but in that maze of symbols and experiences there are little gems of insight and experience that can emerge.

Lucid Dreaming at will was something I was very proficient at until the point when my lifestyle changed so dramatically due to work demands and getting married that my sleeping patterns changed breaking the controlled enviroment and time needed to sleep for inducing quality lucid dreams.

With this stressful enviroment I am in now, it is much harder to get lucid but I still manage to achieve this a few times in a week.

Make sure to check out my interview with Anthony Peak.

Here is the interview in radio format, enjoy


www.blogtalkradio.com...

Here is the Blog post with the deconstructed symbolic dream as mentioned in the interview.

you-are-dreaming.blogspot.com...



posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 05:09 AM
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Thanks so much for such a lengthy reply, and you touch on everything that I encounter with the phenomena. From the skepticism of others who do not have it. to sharing experiences with them that later actualize.

There is no question that my need to share my experiences to connect with people such as yourself; if only to affirm our knowings is critical and inspires me to keep at it despite the skepticism (which mind you is becoming less and less aggressive these days as it was say 20 years ago).

If we could have a concurrent study I believe this experience is becoming more common en mass then less common. Potentially an evolutionary wake up call for humanity? That is just an assumption but it certainly seems like precognition is on the rise.

And thanks again for everything you just shared as it resonates deep within my own experiences and was very coherent and well written which I enjoyed also.

Cheers,

Ian



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 10:20 AM
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Wow can't believe I missed this thread, but RisingAgainst linked me to it


I have had these kids of dreams my whole life.

One that stands out the most is when I dreamt I saw my ex bf's wedding engagement in the paper. I woke up freaked out, we had only been broken 6wks after 5years so it wasn't a good dream


Well the next day we had lunch, which was normal but what happened that day was anything but. He told me that he had something to tell me and I wouldn't like it, next thing I know he is telling me he is engaged. Well I freaked, like Carrie from SATC when Big tells her the same....Anyways I leave the restaurant upset and go home. My mother calls and asks if I saw the paper, ironically enough the paper did NOT arrive at my house that morning...divine intervention. The announcement I saw in my dream was a reality. I saw the paper and the engagement announcements and felt sick and completely freaked out. It was what I saw in my dream, to a T. I will NEVER forget that, hell it caused a mental breakdown where I thought I was loosing it.
Try telling your family you had the exact same dream the night before, yeah they will look at you funny.


I had one REALLY disturbing dream that only recently has become more disturbing because of what I saw in the dream. It was a building I will never forget, well when I moved to where I live know I saw that building and prior to this I had never been in this area. I have chills when I have to drive by it. I don't know what the dream meant but I will tell you it was not a good one. I also saw another thing from that dream online but I am currently trying to find it so I can make a thread about this dream. I had it saved on my other laptop but it is friend and I lost everything.

Great thread and thanks for the links.



posted on Aug, 17 2010 @ 08:57 PM
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I am so glad that I am connecting to more and more people who experience this phenomena. It does make taking the time and effort to write such threads important to me.

Thanks for sharing also!



posted on Sep, 7 2010 @ 06:42 AM
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Thank you for the comment on my post The Quantum Theory of Precognition

I find it rather interesting and encouraging that modern science is starting to take this school of thought seriously.



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