New Greman Study :boys growing up in pious Muslim families more likely to be violent

That is why we need more studies like the one discussed here. To fight ignorance and simple statements like your's.

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If you have read and traveled so extensively then you should be abole to distinguish between various written doctrine and regional cultures.
Much perversion of christian doctrine that gets done, but it doesnt make it integral to the doctrine, rather it's a perversion even if widely practiced as claimed (falsely I might add). Queeran exhortations to kill and physically dominate outsiders has no remote similarity in the NT teachings, none, zip zero, so dont try to stiwt that way.. OT is just a chauvanistic tribal justification and has no priority in christian source material other than to demonstrate the prophesy of change from OT laws and priorities to NT priorities. Because a prophessed christian is a criminal doesnt mean christianity is criminal. That a muzzie behaves criminally because a specific act is condoned in the queeran, makes the doctrine criminal. Pretty much the queerran give the umma a written pass for bypssing each the 10 commandments, where does this occur in the NT?
This is the real miracle of islum where you can claim holiness but act as worldly and demonically as you wish as long as you in your own mind can claim you are doing it for the umma.
What a concept, a book of laws that's all about breaking them, the end justifying any means. A perfect document for the covetousness and selfishness that is human nature, a holy selfishness and destruction, it cant help but be a hit with the desperate, ignorant masses, in fact it really has no limits or rules and allows all manner of psychotic and antisocial behavior if you claim its what mudhommud would do.
And what would mudhummed do? Pretty much anything he wanted to do!

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Originally posted by Siddharta
That is why we need more studies like the one discussed here. To fight ignorance and simple statements like your's.

This study is useless, it doesn't even tell us in what conditions would they use violence.

People who use violence more, doesn't mean bad, it also means they are followers of self defense.

The study is not useless, but just a point, where to start. I critizise this study, because it all is based on answers teenagers made. Not real "violence", but simply answers: How would you react, if...

There is no doubt, that the study shows us, which groups of immigrants have a "macho-ideal", but I doubt, that the answers always are, what those teenagers would do in real life.

E.g. if a (13 years old) softy is asked, what he would do, when his 13 year old daughter would come home late at night instead of 20:00 he probably would answer this question, as he thinks his peers would expect him to answer. So if he belongs to a group, where "manhood" is important, he probably will be the first to answer: I would beat her up!
The catholic, who was told, that he must love his next neighbour, would rather say, he would talk to her.

This also is true, if you ask the teenies for their "crimes" in the past. The macho-boys will tell you about their many heroic adventures, even if they never had one.
The Christian boy will remember, that he has to be a nice guy and tell you, that he never fights, even after he just bet up someone a few minutes ago.

But the authors of the study are aware of the flaws and only lable it as what it is: A first step to understand the circumstances.

It surely is not another proof for those, who are suffering from Islamophobia. It is a study of the situation of the young generation in Germany. Very important and useful. A good basis for the further discussion regarding to education and interaction between immigrants and natives.

This is people withpeople and not crusaders against jihadists.