Whine, Womyn, and Thongs: How Feminism has failed

Originally posted by nixie_nox
Better then other countries? Yes. Great? No.
There is still a lot of oppression and discrimination in the workforce, and at home. I have faced it many times on a personal level. So much so that I have come to realize that men may not realize they are actually doing it.

I suppose as a male I cannot fully understand what you mean, but I am yet to experience it myself at any time in the workforce. The only thing I can think of is women "always" being offered help when there was any heavy lifting because it is assumed they are physically weaker than men.

I don't see this as oppression or discrimination because logically men are born physically stronger than women on average. Thus it seems only reasonable that men offer to help women lift heavy stuff when the situation occurs.

Women have to work twice as hard for less pay to be considered an equal.

This statement has no basis in reality. You should really think about it before you even consider advertising it as factual. If you can show me a study that proves this, where the only reasonably differing variable is gender, then I might change my mind. Any "statistics" that claim otherwise ignore the huge number of variables that can interfere with the results. The idea of Payroll Admins adjusting an employee's pay based on gender is ridiculous to say the least.

I have worked with many female employees and not once have I heard of a single one being paid less than males doing the same job. They have complained about the pay rate for everyone, like all the others, but never indicated they have received less pay because they are women.

I have friends that had positions of influence, and the only way to garner respect is to act like a man.

I am willing to admit that in these cases, women might feel less confident showing their feminine qualities. The thing is that acting the role of the male in the effort to be accepted by your peers is not the way to gain influence. Just act in a balanced state where you are not afraid to show your feminine attributes but you will respect when men show theirs.

Yet you do too much of this, you get labeled a nutcracker. Martha Stewart is a hag, but oh Donald Trump is just a businessman.

I think they are both. But not because of their genders, but because of the way they are portrayed in the media.

So a woman has to learn to balance on the tightrope, while someone else keeps changing the height.

I disagree with this statement because it makes women out to be oppressed and victimised when in reality, it is their own gender making them feel this way. These types of women need to learn how to not be offended.

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That video is a staunch Feminist's nightmare because it exposes the Women's Liberation movement for what it is really is. I'm sure many experience Cognitive Dissonance deep down after watching it, yet it continues to be vehemently resisted.

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Originally posted by nixie_nox
I have friends that had positions of influence, and the only way to garner respect is to act like a man.

Yet you do too much of this, you get labeled a nutcracker. Martha Stewart is a hag, but oh Donald Trump is just a businessman.

So a woman has to learn to balance on the tightrope, while someone else keeps changing the height.

I just asked my employer about this. She laughed pretty hard, then told me it has nothing to do with being a women. She seems to be under the impression that is is easier, more cost effective, and less time consuming to act more like a man.

Her words, "why would I spend extra time primping, if I can just come in all guns blazing?"

Women in my business are starting to learn the cold truth of business...arrogant assholes come first, nice, emotional, caring people come last.

I don't know if this applies to all industries, but her technique is pretty damn effective in construction .

PS: My employer has been a woman in construction since 1972, so she's been in a "man's" industry before equality got to it. That might explain her reaction?

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Feminism is such a joke and an embarrassment to women. It's just another divide and conquer technique. All of these narcissistic feminists who put their career before their family and marriage make me sick. They act like they're such a victim just because they are born female and have the reproductive parts to give birth. Women have been brainwashed into thinking of motherhood as something shameful. It's laughable to call the traditional housewife a "slave". A marriage and a family are a UNIT. There's absolutely nothing "slavish" about a woman doing housework while her husband goes out and works to bring home a paycheck. It's called specialization. I think most feminists realize how ridiculous and inaccurate it is to compare a housewife to a slave. They're just the type that always have to play the victim. It's also insulting to the men that worked hard at some dead end factory to bring home a paycheck. Women were never "opressed". That's all lies and propoganda put forth by the media to carry out their "women's lib" agenda.

Feminists get so angry whenever they encounter females actually behaving in a feminine manner, like "disney princesses" for example. They encourage women to be "strong" and "tough". Sounds like THEY are the ones who are sexist. They act as if masculinity is superior to femininity. Women never felt oppressed...this was/is only felt by feminists with an inferiority complex who are insecure in their femininity. It seems like they never came out of the "penis envy" stage.

Men and women are NOT equal. Neither is superior to the other, just different for various purposes. I can't fathom why feminists want to be equal to a man. This shows their insecurity. Traditional gender roles are nature-given and are important for a strong, stable family unit. Men and women are two complementary halves of a whole. A mother is the most honorable role a woman can have. But children can't be raised properly because their selfish, feminist mothers are too busy trying to be the breadwinner and whining about being an oppressed victim because she was born with the reproductive rights to give birth.

Feminists are so envious of men that they even discourage masculinity in men. They complain about "macho" men but embrace the loud, obnoxious, overly-effiminate homosexuals. I think deep down they really are turned on by strong, masculine, "macho" men but try to surpress this feeling. This only leads to bitterness and frustration. No woman who is secure in her femininity and nature-given role would buy into this "women's lib" nonsense. Only an insecure woman would scoff at chivalry and get angry and bitter towards a man offering protection or help in any way. Feminists saying women were "oppressed" is the most insulting statement about women I've ever heard. They are implying that women are weak and vulnerable.

Joan Crawford said it best:

"Women have always had their rights. They were just too dumb to use them." (she was actually agreeing with this statement that was originally said by someone else)

also...

"Any woman with intelligence and ambition has always been able to make it in this so called man's world".

This says it all:

www.youtube.com...


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Here's something to chew on.

Before the "feminist revolution," it took one person (usually a man) to provide a decent middle-class living for an average family.

After feminism, the picture is generally two harried parents working stressful lives and trying to balance family and work, and usually failing at both as society and culture decay and wages and employment opportunities shrivel.

What went wrong?

By encouraging all women to equate work with freedom and happiness, this movement effectively doubled the workforce in the developed world. Crack open an econ 101 textbook, chapter one: Supply and demand. When supply goes up, the value of something goes down. This is true for labor as well as any other good or service. By doubling the labor pool, the price of labor is effectively halved. More fat corporate profits for those at the tippy-top of the pyramid; more work for less real benefits for everyone else.

I'm not advocating "pushing women back into the home" or what have you. But as always, ask yourself -- who benefits? And who has the power to change things on a grand scale through manipulation of the media, academia, government, etc? If you find they are the same people and realize that a massive transfer of wealth and power has taken place, its worth mulling over, isn't it?

I've never understood the hypocrisy of women who didn't want to be treated like sex objects, yet treated men as money objects.

Yep, I'm broke.

Originally posted by Balkan
I've never understood the hypocrisy of women who didn't want to be treated like sex objects, yet treated men as money objects.

Yep, I'm broke.

You are going to have to blame the human genome on that one, because basically men are hard-wired to seek out attractive women and women are hard-wired to seek out high-status males. Not really fair for either side of the coin, but we don't get to make the rules, do we?