** Breaking News: All Ten Defendants in Russian Spy Case to Plead Guilty, page 1
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reply posted on 8-7-2010 @ 03:18 PM by anon72
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Im thinking they would first have to plead guilty so the Feds would have the evidence for the deportation hearings etc?.

I still think there is much much more to this than we are being told.


reply posted on 8-7-2010 @ 05:26 PM by anon72
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Maybe our four are like Super Spies-they equal 10 of theirs?

It's a long shot but...... lol

More craziness from the Clown Obama-daily anymore. Just more evidence of his inexperience IMO.

Again, I can safely say: This wouldn't be happening if Palin/McCain were elected. )


reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 05:21 AM by anon72
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WHat I find interesting is the lack of responses on this thread. It indicates to me that people could care less-like Russia isn't a real threat etc.

Prior to say..... 1990, this would be a HUGE matter and taken more seriously. Now, the giant (US) sleeps in hybenation as it's enemies plan their attack(s).


reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 07:52 AM by jibeho
The FBI has been tracking these "spies" for nearly 10 years. 10 years of work and the gig is up?? a quick guilty plea and now they are on a plane for home as we speak!!

Wow!! Does not compute!!! Did we learn all we need to know in the short week that we had them in custody? Doubtful.

I guess this can be expected from an administration that mirandizes terrorists and dismisses voter intimidation charges against those who are clearly guilty of a crime.

The US is soon to become Russia's new lap dog.

Sure, have an exchange but why so speedy?? 10 years of investigating for what?? Some of these spy couples have children that were born here in the US.
John L. Martin supervised 76 espionage cases during his 26 years at the Justice Department, but he’s never seen one end like this one.

Martin said swapping spies who have not been sentenced to time in prison, much less served it, is "all but unprecedented."

Martin could recall only one case in which an accused spy was swapped without first being convicted and sentenced to prison.


“For earlier exchanges, we worked for a number of years before we came up with a final number of people we would be willing to release,” among other considerations, he said.

"Both sides were doing that," he said of the Cold War era.

"We would arrest people, they would arrest people. As we arrested more people, the negotiations would intensify."

All of which makes the speed with which the latest case played out "absolutely unprecedented," he said.


Did we go soft because of their children??

The fate of their children were certainly "part of the negotiations, " Martin said -- another precedent.

The Russians will claim those who were Russian-born are their citizens, Martin said.

"For the children who are native-born Americans, the Constitution confers American citizenship," he noted.

But evidence that their parents' citizenship was falsely obtained will complicate matters.

"Children who are foreign-born and whose parents used false documentation to obtain their child's citizenship, places the children in jeopardy in terms of their status," Martin said.

Those over 18 can decide for themselves what to do, unless they are here illegally.

But in the end, Martin said, "the families will have to make the decisions" on the fate of their youngsters, he said.

"It puts them in their lap."

Some of the accused have been expressing deep worries about their childrens' well-being, but Martin said his sympathy for them has limits.

"They should have been thinking about that before taking on their spying assignments," he said.

blog.washingtonpost.com...

I will place blame for this debacle where it belongs. With the current administration!!!

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reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 08:22 AM by whatukno
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Wow!! Does not compute!!! Did we learn all we need to know in the short week that we had them in custody? Doubtful.


No, we learned all we needed to learn in the 10 years that we were tracking these spies.

That's why it's called an investigation, learning about connections, finding out about contacts, finding how they operate, who is involved, what they were doing, what assets in country are compromised.

They were arrested after all that could be learned was learned. Evidence was collected for a case and then, the arrest warrant was issued.

Kinda stupid to arrest someone on suspicion of espionage without any evidence of said espionage isn't it?

So, yea, must be the current administrations fault


reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 08:26 AM by jibeho
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So, nothing can be learned from interrogation? How about some jail time and a little subsequent conversation? I would prefer some water boarding!!

Nice job defending the administration though. Mission accomplished. If it were only that simple.


reply posted on 9-7-2010 @ 08:33 AM by whatukno
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So, nothing can be learned from interrogation? How about some jail time and a little subsequent conversation? I would prefer some water boarding!!


Nice, torture, sure, why not? Hey, while were at it, let's put bamboo shunts under their fingernails and hook up a car battery up to their genitals! What is this, Nazi Germany?

Nice job defending the administration though. Mission accomplished. If it were only that simple.


Yea, a 10 year investigation is simple, following leads, getting court ordered wire taps, inserting plants. Yep, all simple.

You know what? You should work for the NSA or FBI or CIA, because obviously they are sorely lacking in the art of investigations and evidence collecting techniques.

And hell, while your at it, you might want to put in a resume with the state department because you obviously know way more about international relations than they do!

This has nothing to do with the CURRENT administration if this investigation has been going on for the last 10 years. Sounds to me, like most Neo-Cons you are just rewriting history to blame the current administration for the previous administrations failures.

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