Citizen's group taking border battle into own hands

reply to post by Ansuzrune

Most of these people crossing the border are just seeking a better life

That's right ! They are just seeking a better life. At the cost of the lives
our forfathers fought for, not theirs. What about the freedom everybody
in WW2 fought and died for? They fought for the freedom of America I know.
I'm positive everyone of them would say, more directly, they fought and died for our freedom. Not the Aztecs, Or the Incas or the Mayans or the
Olmecs.
Washington tells us to support the troops, while they backstab us and them
at the same time. Cementing the fact that every American soldier who
died anywhere fighting for his country, will most certainly have given his life in vain.
Look at this crap the way it is people.
Do you see what all the soldiers of the past died for?

I don't see it any where. IN VAIN>

That is exactly why Frederick The Great said" If soldiers ever learn to think for themselves, their will be none left in the ranks."


[edit on 18-6-2010 by randyvs]

If any reading this thread are Christian, please remember Ephesians 6:12.

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Daily we are bombarded by so many things to distract us, to bring us off our guard or to catch us off guard and bring us into thinking how the rest of the world may behave or deal with certain matters. Sex, violence, politics and the list goes on and on.

Let us perhaps consider that what is going on with our country and with the rest of the world is the result of sin and the judgment of God.
Realize that we are all children of the same mother and father and that in the end where we're from does not matter.
Do not be so puffed up and filled with pride over man made things. Don't let yourself become puffed up and angry when you see what someone did. If you've read the Holy Bible or looked at other history, human nature has always been the same since the fall.

Two wrong's don't make a right and anger clouds our mind leading us to become what we hate or dislike. So even though there are people that want a n.w.o, don't forget that God knows their move before they make it. They will answer to God.

Don't forget that God knows all and just as He used people in the past to fulfill His will, I think He can do that today. If it does not contradict His word, or try to twist it, then it can't be false teaching.

Remember that he who lives by the sword will die by the sword. Remember it is so easy to become distracted and want revenge when we're done wrong. But revenge does not fix our problem. Hardening our heart is only a false security. The path to healing is forgiveness.

Remember that Jesus our Lord said, if we do not forgive men their trespasses, the Father in heaven will not forgive us our trespasses.

Our life is temporary and in the big picture, it is better if we can, to let go of anger, revengeful feelings and not allow our self to come under control by the enemy or our fallen nature.

[edit on 18-6-2010 by TruthSeeker8300]

I dont know if this was mentioned but if this turns out badly it may be able to lead to a banning of gunrights...
Hope for them and their family's to be save...

imagine2050.newcomm.org/2010/06/01/neo-nazis-antagonize-marchers-protesting-sb-1070-in-phoenix/

...from the article...

Ready is a self-confessed member of the National Socialist Movement, a neo-Nazi group. In another video interview with a local Arizona news channel he heaped praise on Adolf Hitler. Ready is also good buddies with Arizona State Senator Russell Pearce, who was the chief sponsor of S.B. 1070. Pearce is a member of State Legislators for Legal Immigration, a coalition of anti-immigrant state-elected officials. State Legislators is an affiliate of the John Tanton Network, a web of controversial anti-immigrant organizations.

Wow, reading some of these new threads on ATS today has been like i'm reading a screen play for an action movie! The blackjack thread, now this? I'll admit, this is a really cool and brave thing to do and I'm glad we have people who are going to step up and do this. Only thing I would be worried about is if these guys have families and what will happen if they are killed trying to to protect our land? I dont think the government will step in and financially help a widowed wife in this situation. I hope they are very well prepared and i wish them all the best.

Originally posted by Son of Will
reply to post by groingrinder

 

??????

Who said anything about Nazis? What, you think these people are just looking for an excuse to shoot some spics? My god, lay off the liberal propaganda. They're just as bad as the conservative propaganda was during the Bush years.

They are Nationalist Socialists. That is what the ruling party in Nazi Germany was in the 1930's. So basically, they are Nazis.

I agree with citizen protection of our borders, but the fact that Nazis are the first ones to jump to the challenge worries me. A lot.

Oh boy... vigilantes...

Reminds me of:

"What gives you the right??? Whats the diffrence between you and me?" - Brian dougles (Copycat batman)

"I'm not wearing hockey masks!" - The Dark Knight

reply to post by truthseeker84


Hi, we think alike on this issue. We also have similar id's. :p

Originally posted by SurefireII
And to all you ignorant souls who continually bring up Nazi's, go learn history you idiots, Nazi's were led by a dictator! These brave souls are not, they are led by their own personal convictions! Those of whom wanna spew that Nazi propaganda, are anti-american and need to take their filth to another website and embrace their tree hugging liberal brother and sisters!

The Nazis were the National Socialist German Worker's Party. They were a political movement who had a leader. That party claimed a majority in the national parliament, and their leader appointed Chancellor by the German President. When the President died, the parliament (run by Nazis) declared the Chancellor to be the leader, and gave him absolute power.

How about YOU learn a little about this group? National Socialist Movement (United States)

For starters, their website address includes "nsm88." And the 88 isn't because they're Michael Irvin fans.

8 stands for the 8th letter of the alphabet. So you don't have to use both your hands, that's the letter H. 88 = HH. "Heil Hitler."

From "25 POINTS OF AMERICAN NATIONAL SOCIALISM" on their hate-filled website (let us know if you find any of these goals objectionable):

1. We demand the union of all Whites into a greater America on the basis of the right of national self-determination.

4. Only members of the nation may be citizens of the state. Only those of pure White blood, whatever their creed, may be members of the nation. Non-citizens may live in America only as guests and must be subject to laws for aliens. Accordingly, no Jew or homosexual may be a member of the nation.

7. All non-White immigration must be prevented. We demand that all non-Whites currently residing in America be required to leave the nation forthwith and return to their land of origin: peacefully or by force.

23. To facilitate the creation of a national press we demand:

(a) That all editors of and contributors to newspapers appearing in the English language must be members of the nation;

(b) That no non-American newspapers may appear without the express permission of the State. They must not be written in the English language;

(c) That non-Whites shall be prohibited by law from participating financially in or influencing American newspapers, and that the penalty for contravening such a law shall be the suppression of any such newspapers, and the immediate deportation of the non-Americans involved.

The publishing of papers which are not conducive to the national welfare must be forbidden. We demand the legal prosecution of all those tendencies in art and literature which corrupt our national life, and the suppression of cultural events which violate this demand.

25. To put the whole program into effect, we demand the creation of a strong central national government for the nation; the unconditional authority of the political central parliament over the entire nation and its organizations; and the formation of committees for the purpose of carrying out the general legislation passed by the nation and the various American States.

At least "tree hugging liberals" aren't anti-American like these vermin.

Will this information open your eyes, or will you continue to be an apologist for them knowing full well who they are?

This is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are going to start seeing a lot more of this all across this country. As government fails to do what its supposed to, the people will take over and do it. I only wish I was there to help kill a few drug dealers or gang members..........

reply to post by mothershipzeta


Star for simple research to expose these fools for who they are.

Guys, are we really gonna let Nazis lead the front to protect our borders???

reply to post by mothershipzeta

At least "tree hugging liberals" aren't anti-American like these vermin

With the exception of those that just follow the same guidelines as listed above, except they just call themselves Marxist/Communists. Same sentiment as the Nazi's just a different name.

Starred your post by the way. Those dudes are definitely off the chain bonkers.

I do admire when citizens do what they need to do.

My concern is that this will be another Ruby Ridge. TPTB will surely go after the citizens defending their state over the drug cartels coming in our country (and the Mexican army for that matter)

I just wish they weren't the National Socalists as you know how that will play in the media, although a group like La Raza (The Race) is more racist than any other group in existence, the name says it all.

What an irony. The Nazis vs The Race.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Ansuzrune

 

Most of these people crossing the border are just seeking a better life

That's right ! They are just seeking a better life. At the cost of the lives
our forfathers fought for, not theirs. What about the freedom everybody
in WW2 fought and died for? They fought for the freedom of America I know.
I'm positive everyone of them would say, more directly, they fought and died for our freedom. Not the Aztecs, Or the Incas or the Mayans or the
Olmecs.

How much historical ignorance will be posted on ATS today? First off, the people in the OP's link believe in what we fought AGAINST in WWII.

Furthermore, here's information on Mexico in WWII:

Mexico declared war against the Axis powers on May 28th, 1942.
..........
Mexico quickly began fulfilling its wartime commitment to America by providing tens of thousands of agricultural contract workers, tanker-loads of oil and massive amounts of other crucial war materiel.
..........
Mexico´s WW2 effort went beyond patrolling its beaches and sniffing out spies; thousands of Mexicans served with US forces during the war, including some 300 who fought as a distinct Mexican unit in the Pacific air war.

It was decided early on that the military arm best equipped to carry the Mexican flag into battle was the Mexican Air Force. An agreement between the US and Mexico allowing for the reciprocal use of airfields and facilities had been in place since April, 1941. But following Mexico´s declaration of war intense air-training programs sponsored by the USAAF came into affect. Some air-crews were trained in Mexico at Guadalajara, while other Mexican Air Force personnel went directly to airbases in Florida, Texas and Idaho.

By July, 1944, enough Mexican pilots had been trained to form three squadrons, one of which (Squadron 201, or “The Aztec Eagles”) was commissioned for active service in February, 1945. It saw action while attached to the USAAF Fifth Air Corp., flying Republic P-47 Thunderbolts out of Clark Field in the Philippines, and also over Formosa. Of the 31 Mexican pilots who flew in combat missions, five were killed.

Of Squadron 201 General Douglas MacArthur said. “I have watched over its combat activities with growing pride and admiration, and for that reason upon leaving (the Philippines) I have said goodbye to them with sadness and affection.”

It was the first time Mexican forces had ever set foot on foreign soil to wage war, and it hasn't happened since.


If you say "They didn't do THAT much," then it could be pointed out that any individual ancestors you may have that fought for our country didn't do that much on their own, either. It's the combined effort that matters.

its probably the feds. they like to pose as nazi's, anarchists, and klansmen.


probably want to get ahead of the game by making the first attempt at citizens taking matters into their own hands look as bad as possible.

watch for this to turn really really ugly and then the government will "intervene" and everybody will be happy they saved us from the nazi's.


anybody who trys anything after that is an automatic nazi.

Originally posted by MCAinSTL
I do admire when citizens do what they need to do.

My concern is that this will be another Ruby Ridge. TPTB will surely go after the citizens defending their state over the drug cartels coming in our country (and the Mexican army for that matter)

I just wish they weren't the National Socalists as you know how that will play in the media, although a group like La Raza (The Race) is more racist than any other group in existence, the name says it all.

What an irony. The Nazis vs The Race.

And that's where you're wrong. See my post upthread.

The National Socialist Movement wants a union of Whites, with no Jews or homosexuals. And a complete ban on non-White immigration.

And as for La Raza:

Many people incorrectly translate our name, “La Raza,” as “the race.” While it is true that one meaning of “raza” in Spanish is indeed “race,” in Spanish, as in English and any other language, words can and do have multiple meanings. As noted in several online dictionaries, “La Raza” means “the people” or “the community.” Translating our name as “the race” is not only inaccurate, it is factually incorrect. “Hispanic” is an ethnicity, not a race. As anyone who has ever met a Dominican American, Mexican American, or Spanish American can attest, Hispanics can be and are members of any and all races.

The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people” or, according to some scholars, as “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Mistranslating “La Raza” to mean “the race” implies that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.

Am I the only one denying ignorance here? What the hell is wrong with you people today? "National Socialists aren't bad...La Raza is more racist than Nazis..."

I can't believe people actually post pro-Nazi garbage on this site (not you, MCAinSTL. Maybe a little research would keep people from looking ignorant and racist. Even Wikipedia is a start.

(edited to fix the rant)

[edit on 6/18/10 by mothershipzeta]

star and flag my friend. This is exactly what needs to be done here. When I read the thread the other day on how they closed the area by the border off because they cant secure it enraged me. These patriots have my blessing till the end, and I wish them all the luck. I fought to hard and too long for this country to watch it fall into the hands of drug thug gangs. And as far as our government is concerned they should sit back and watch these patriots do what needs to be done, since the Gov lacks the testicular fortitude that these fine patriots have. I even posted on that thread yesterday about how if I wasnt all the way up here in MN I would love to play around down there with my AR. (of course I know its not really playing around but you get the drift) So help me god if someone steps in and criminalizes these people for protecting our border when our own Gov cant I will have lost all faith in this country. We can police the entire world, but cant even protect our own border, it makes me sick. And for all you peace lovin hippies out there who oppose this, you can kiss Americas @$$ and go live somewhere else for all I care. I give all the support in the world to these guys, just like our troops. Some people will disagree with this saying these guys arent military though, they are just citizens. Well guess what folks, these are our military still, they just arent under a Fed Contract anymore. They still posess all the skill needed for just this type of work. Sorry to rant but this has been a long time comin!!!! Gunshooter out!!

It takes one really well-trained sniper to get the front driver in a convoy, and a simple ambush plan to make sure it stops where it's surrounded.

It however doesnt take an excellentely trained american to kill an untrained mexican drug smuggler.

Remember, if these guys are naturally hunters, they've self trained themselves already:

1. To hunt animals that will dissapear with the sound of a twig snapping.
2. To hunt animals that require headshots to fully take down.
3. To use camoflauge, and a desert ghillie suit is not hard @ all to make.

Now let's see what a Mexican drug dealer knows how to do.

1. Sever a human head when 5 of his friends help him hold you down.
2. Spray a miscellaneous calliber machine gun into anything.
3. Be on drugs while transporting drugs.
4. Stand up in a convertible convoy truck, completely leaving themselves open to any kind of life-threatening kil shot.

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My Point?

It takes only a few key players to destroy these mexican drug smugglers and convoys. My prediction is that you'll have a bunch of over-powered rifles killing them 1 by 1, while the mexicans spray rampartly in the air in anger. Ofcourse, this group will meet with controversial hypocriticism when they finally take back the land and prevent truck loads of drugs coming into this country, but then again, so did some of our veterans.

Sad story. History Repeats itself.

Part 1 US Citizens to take back control of their country - Done.

Part 2 US Citizens overthrow the socialist party of America - Pending.

1 more inch!