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Problem. The US Government is responsible for the Gulf Disaster.

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posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:16 AM
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Who is legally responsible for the Gulf disaster?

When I was in the military, I worked on aircraft.

If I fixed something, I would have the job inspected by a QA (Quality Assurance) inspector.

Now if that plane crashed because of the fix I did, I would be in trouble, but the QA would be responsible, because he signed off on the job, meaning he inspected the job, and found it to be up to standard. The standards on aircraft repairs are very high, as peoples lives depend on it.

Now, the US government approved the lease for the Horizon Deepwater to drill. In fact, the US government collected large amounts of money from this lease.

The MMS (a branch of the federal US government), inspected and approved the conditions, safety precautions, etc on this oil rig.

Now in a court of law, even if BP caused the oil rig explosion, the US government is on the hook because they (we) signed off on everything.

Does anyone else see the potential legal problems of this situation?




posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:44 AM
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No the government is not responsible. The people the government represents might be though...for allowing the deregulators to continue deregulating. The government is neither a cure all nor a scapegoat or even a hall monitor for our actions...or lack thereof.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:47 AM
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follow the money
goldman sax shorted everything in sight
in advance

goldman sax is Obamas 2 nd biggest contributer.
www.opensecrets.org...

University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835

Percent of Contributions


guess where all these people and groups are and have been putting their
INVESTMENT MONEY?
like goldman sachs we know right off the top




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posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:51 AM
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Urgghh....


If the mob pays off a cop so that he can deal drugs and run prostitutes on the street.

Is it just the cops fault for being payed off?


For cripes sake, BP and other oil companies payed off regulators so they can skirt safety practices to save money and make more money. In this case they ruined the ocean, killed people and quite possibly a ruined this nation for decades to come.

But you want to put the blame on all of Government instead of the evil bastards who payed them off and put everyone at risk....

All to make more money that they will never ever even need, because they already have more than God.

It's simple, BP and all the regulators involved should be tossed into prison and have ALL their assets seized and given to those effected.

[edit on 16-6-2010 by AllexxisF1]



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
No the government is not responsible. The people the government represents might be though...for allowing the deregulators to continue deregulating. The government is neither a cure all nor a scapegoat or even a hall monitor for our actions...or lack thereof.


I'm an electrician. If I wire a hot tub, and have it inspected by the state electrical inspector, and someone dies in that hottub because I wired it wrong,

my insurance gets hit hard, but the state gets sued for signing it off.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:54 AM
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say
how did the "US government" get on that list???!!!!
wtf is up with that
I wonder?



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:54 AM
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It is actually we the people hat are responsible.... our dependance on crude has caused this... no need for rigs if we do not consume the the oil.. so go fill your tanks up and dont cancel your trip to Florida just because of some measly tar balls..oh the irony



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by AllexxisF1
Urgghh....


If the mob pays off a cop so that he can deal drugs and run prostitutes on the street.

Is it just the cops fault for being payed off?


For cripes sake, BP and other oil companies payed off regulators so they can skirt safety practices to save money and make more money. In this case they ruined the ocean, killed people and quite possibly a ruined this nation for decades to come.


It's not about what I think, it's a legal issue. If MMS signed off on the BOP, they are ultimately responsible for any damage done.

Since the US taxpayer is the boss of MMS, the US taxpayer is ultimately on the hook for the Gulf disaster.

Exactly how TPTB planned it.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:57 AM
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And you have made my point about deregulation. The government is not responsible because they do not regulate this industry. Ultimately BP is responsible for their poor choice in going with concrete poured by Halliburton that did not pass BP's safety tests, but methinks their legal loopholes and provisions will weasel them out of a lot of the responsibility...at least the fiscal part (they're currently debating whether to reduce their dividend to their stockholders....ha! as if that's even a question at this point). Their consciences will have to do the rest...but we all know they don't really have one.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by OurskiesRpoisoned

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
No the government is not responsible. The people the government represents might be though...for allowing the deregulators to continue deregulating. The government is neither a cure all nor a scapegoat or even a hall monitor for our actions...or lack thereof.


I'm an electrician. If I wire a hot tub, and have it inspected by the state electrical inspector, and someone dies in that hottub because I wired it wrong,

my insurance gets hit hard, but the state gets sued for signing it off.



Now imagine if the President and Vice President of the United States ACTIVELY went out to tell those inspectors to let contractors get away with crappy wiring and normal safety precautions because it will help their bottom line. Then put actual former contractors in top positions of those inspectors to really make sure they can get away with turning a blind eye.

Then what would happen?

Lots of people getting shocked out their bazzooo right.

Common sense regulation works in the best interest of the commons. It's when a group with an insane ideology comes in, and thinks Bah! let businesses regulate themselves on their own and expect them to put people first.

Because what that retarded ideology does not get through their thick skulls is that business care only about one thing....profits! where Government main objective is safety for its citizens.





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posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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Cheney’s Culture of Deregulation and Corruption
How Bush Administration Inaction Created the BP Disaster

A look at the culture of deregulation, self-regulation, and corruption ushered in on Cheney’s underscores why the BP oil catastrophe should forever be remembered as Cheney’s Katrina.

just google Cheneys Katrina
he is example of an "Active" role in this

just like when Norm Mineta testified that Cheney wouldn't lift the standown during 911

just an example to support the OP

edit to add link and the usuall spedding errors
www.americanprogress.org...
edit to ad quote
Big Oil spent millions of dollars to sweep—and keep—George W. Bush and Dick Cheney in the White House. And it got its money’s worth.

The new administration and its staunchly pro-oil congressional allies returned the favor by enacting one of the most pro-oil, anti-environment pieces of legislation in history: the Energy Policy Act of 2005—itself based on the recommendations of Cheney’s secret energy policy task force. The Bush-Cheney administration’s cozy relationship with Big Oil, however, goes much deeper than one law.



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posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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Yeah, I understand what you mean.
I used to work in construction, and if the Shtf, after a health and safty inspection, it would be there problem for not enforcing the correct regulations.

Now im guessing that since BP is so big, they had their own H+S Inspectors, thus enabling them to cut corners... Although im not sure of their procedures so dont quote me on that.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 09:04 AM
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This might be true if BP hadnt exceeded the limits what the government had allowed them to do. As I recall the government set a depth limit which BP exceeded.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 09:06 AM
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People are answering with emotion without reviewing the legal aspects of this.



D R I L L I N G C O N T R A C T O R January/February 2004

The MMS is also looking at the ROV/ram closure times. The agency previously
believed that this procedure would take only a short time but now is being told that it could be a 10-15 minute operation.
The reliability of acoustical systems is being examined and whether they are as reliable as they need to be in order to
guarantee a shut in. Riser/BOP inspection frequency and bolt/insert inspection
types and frequency are also being determined.

www.iadc.org...

www.gomr.mms.gov...

The MMS has been in charge all along.

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posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Esrom Escutcheon Esquire
reply to post by OurskiesRpoisoned
 


Yeah, I understand what you mean.
I used to work in construction, and if the Shtf, after a health and safty inspection, it would be there problem for not enforcing the correct regulations.

Now im guessing that since BP is so big, they had their own H+S Inspectors, thus enabling them to cut corners... Although im not sure of their procedures so dont quote me on that.


Thank you. This is not about what we think, but about the legal aspects of this.

Money could be tied up in courts for years, if not decades.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 09:08 AM
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It's really simple to understand.

It's no different than professional football.

Government (we the people) creates markets (the game)

We setup the basic rules that everyone has to follow.

We assign referees to make sure the rules are enforced.

We pay for the roads, the parking lot, the lighting so people can get there safely and effectively.

Then teams can show up and play.

That is what the market is. The second you allow the teams to change the rules mid game or completely go against them then the game is sham and no decent person would want to play or watch it right.

If you expected the teams to make up their own rules and police themselves and their sole objective was to win (make profits) at any cost, do you honestly believe they would behave themselves or act with honor?

That is why the whole Neo Conservative Reagan no government philosophy is a complete sham created and implemented by corporations.

No different than if the Dallas Cowboys started a movement to kick out the commissioner, NFL and the referees and do things themselves.

In this case the referees were paid off by BP and instead of the team who cheated just winning the superbowl they decided to drown all the spectators by filling the stadium with oil.




[edit on 16-6-2010 by AllexxisF1]



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 09:09 AM
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Transocean, Deepwater Horizon Operator, Won Safety Award; Made Music Video Touting Safety Aboard Ship (VIDEO)
www.huffingtonpost.com...

ABC News reports Tuesday that the Minerals Management Service, which is the federal agency in charge of monitoring and enforcing safety rules on oil rigs, gave rig operator Transocean a top safety award.

ABC News reports:

MMS issued its SAFE award to Transocean for its performance in 2008, crediting the company's "outstanding drilling operations" and a "perfect performance period." Transocean spokesman Guy Cantwell told ABC News the awards recognized a spotless record during repeated MMS inspections, and should be taken as evidence of the company's longstanding commitment to safety.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 09:11 AM
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Now, the US government approved the lease for the Horizon Deepwater to drill. In fact, the US government collected large amounts of money from this lease.


Yes, they did, incredibly large sums of money, no doubt. The oil business is very lucrative, thank you, David Rockefeller for starting Shell Oil, and thank you, National City Bank for funding that effort. No we are all hooked on oil, except for a few back yard mechanics like me who run a hybrid car.



The MMS (a branch of the federal US government), inspected and approved the conditions, safety precautions, etc on this oil rig.


Don't you watch TV? I don't know how deep the Director was in it, she was not there long, for the long timers were too bust surfing for porn to be able to over see a new drilling project, and they got their kick-backs too, believe it. I wish I could make that kind of money for surfing porn! I wouldn't do anything else!



Now in a court of law, even if BP caused the oil rig explosion, the US government is on the hook because they (we) signed off on everything.

Does anyone else see the potential legal problems of this situation?


That may or may not be the case. Depends on the language of the contract, really. I would like to read the contracts, I could make a fair assumption then. I see a lot of problems, especially for those trying to file claims. Big Oil and the Rich Elite did not get that way by handing out billions of dollars to Joe Sixpack and Sally Housewife. Personally, I think the Obama White House should be the attorney of record for the fishermen and business owners seeking repatriations. Did you hear the CEO in that very expensive commercial?
"We will honor every legitimate claim." "Legitimate" could be whatever BP wants it to be, in reality.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 09:12 AM
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news.yahoo.com...

LOS ANGELES – The federal agency responsible for ensuring that the Deepwater Horizon was operating safely before it exploded last month fell well short of its own policy that the rig be inspected at least once per month, an Associated Press investigation shows.

In fact, the agency's inspection frequency on the Deepwater Horizon fell dramatically over the past five years, according to federal Minerals Management Service records. The rig blew up April 20, killing 11 people before sinking and triggering a massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.



posted on Jun, 16 2010 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by AllexxisF1
It's really simple to understand.


In this case the referees were paid off by BP and instead of the team who cheated just winning the superbowl they decided to drown all the spectators by filling the stadium with oil.

[edit on 16-6-2010 by AllexxisF1]


And...the refs are ultimately responsible. They are fined, and fired and maybe even jailed.

MMS was the ref here.







 
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