If the overall majority of the U.S.A signed a petition not to go to war, would it still happen?

If the overall majority of the U.S.A signed a petition not to go to war, would it still happen? Like if the government went to war, and the people of the nation,( meaning 75% or over) were opposed, wouldn’t that mean the government is not for the people, if the people don’t want it? Is that even legal to go to war if your own country is not being invaded?

(This probably sounds like a dumb question, but it would be great if some people answered it)

Not a dumb question at all. Remember...there are no dumb questions....only dumb....nevermind.

The majority of people opposed government run health care, yet we still had it rammed down our throats. Our only option is to throw the bastards out that supported it. That is the only message they understand.

Petitions are not found in the Constitution.

reply to post by Carseller4


Not a petition, I mean more like a revolutionary change. Were people took/tried to take matters in their own hands.

No because the majority will always, at least initially support the war, the reason is because the govt isn't going to go against the people at least not that blatantly, a war will still result if the govt wants a war, but the people will support it because that same govt will give the people a reason to support it.

aka a false flag.

I think they will go to war regardless, yes.

We saw in the UK, it seemed like a majority were against the war, huge numbers marched, and for every person that marched, many wanted to. Polls put the numbers against the war over 50% at many times.

This is part of the mockery of calling the system in the UK 'democracy'. It's far closer to a Republic, where an elected elite decide things on our behalf. In a real form of democracy, 51% being against would decide it.

Another area where we can see we don't have democracy is the death penalty, often polls show that a majority are for it, but it will not be re-instated, the politicians will overrule the populace on that.

I see this as showing up the serious problems of the most lauded political systems right now.

With a Republic, the elites can override the proles at any time they wish, by invoking "we know better, that's why you elected us" and similar arguments.

With a Democracy, you could end up with 'tyranny of the masses'. If 51% agree on bringing in racist laws, they would be bought it, no matter the fact the minority will be tyrannised.

[edit on 22/5/2010 by harpsounds]

reply to post by Maddogkull


Government more specifically the President doesn't need the peoples permission to do anything.

Yeh those rights were already taken.

as harpsounds has said, it happens here in the UK all the time, i don't really want to be caught up in the US's problems, or anybody elses for that matter.

Yes. All that would really happen is the number of political murders in either the U.S (or U.K) would go through the roof. And it wouldn't be the minority that opposed the petition that would be doing the dying (just those non-corrupted people who organised).

The petition should not be to stop a war, but to demand full disclosures from the federal goverment and force it to redress grievences by its people towards it.
If the people want to stop the war, there are 2 ways to do such. One is elect officials who are willing to go into office and cut the purse strings for any such actions. Ultimately it is congress who can and will authroize such actions, as they have the capacity to stop such, but stopping all funding. The other way is to convience those who would join the military not too. If they do not have the man power to fight, then it is a moot point on such.

The US population was adamantly against entering into WWI. The powers that be fixed that with the sinking of the Lucitanaia, which swayed public opinion in favor of the war.

The US population was adamantly against entering into WWII. The powers that be fixed that with the bombing of Pearl Harbor, which they elicited by seizing all Japanese assets and placing sanctions on Japan, and then purposefully ignored the advanced warnings of the imminent attack, resulting in the lost of several thousand sailors lives. As a result, public opinion was swayed in favor of the war.

Starting to get the picture? Swaying mass opinion is easy. If the government wants to go to war, they will manufacture some excuse to do so, even if the population is adamantly opposed to it, at least prior to the false flag event. The media in every case plays along with the propaganda fed to them by the government, and the population gets duped.

If, after a false flag event, you do not cheer the government on in its plans for war, then you are labeled subversive and unpatriotic, and demonized by the media. Hence, the government (or actually the military-industrial establishment) gets its way everytime.

I think there is a fundamental problem here.

Do people REALLY think they still have ANY say whatsoever? Are we all still Convinced of it? Seriously.

It seems to me that they've been getting away with it without ANY consequence whatsoever for a VERY long time. The simple fact of the matter is, we have to fight to have a say, and I don't see any fighting going on at all: Ed and Elaine Brown, UNLAWFUL INCOME TAX, Rigged Presidential Elections, Loss of Habeus Corpus and Due Process, Torture, Murder and Rampant Wall Street Fraud, just to name a few things we should be livid about. If we had ANY say AT ALL, these wouldn't be issues AT ALL.

War is profitable, period. If there's money to be made somewhere, it will be made. People's opinions are simply laughable at this point. Why, you ask? Because we don't have the gumption, the will, or the drive to make them worth anything at all (consequence) to these bankers.

Whoever wins a fight, a battle, or a war - the bankers ALWAYS make money.

It becomes ridiculous to think ANYONE is in control more than bankers...

Follow the money people - disregard Dick Chaney on the way, as it would be easy to stop there.

EDIT: As it is right now, the answer is YES...while a defiant, hearty, evil, sarcastic, sadistic, inconsiderate and bitter laughter ensues, from the real people in charge and reading this thread.

They are pointing their stubs (fingers) at us, and uncontrollably laughing...period.

[edit on 22-5-2010 by lagnar]