Capitalism Hampers our civilization from going past type 0 Civilization

Do you know everything that we need to going from type 0 to type 1 civilization for as early as today and without waiting for at least 50-100 years is here, they just suppressed by Capitalist System until much later because they will destroy Capitalist System if they goes Mainstream, and they are no other than: FREE ENERGY(aka Perpetual Motion Machine) and tons of other Black op Technologies like Anti Gravity Technologies and UFO Related technologies(other than mundane and Mediocre ones).

[edit on 12-5-2010 by masonicon]

Nonsense. Whatever works best at any given time period is used by humanity to the fullest. At the moment capitalism works best and makes the most progress. They day free energy really is discovered it will quickly and naturally replace capitalism. But right now, capitalism is a great tool of progress and should not be "taken down" on the basis of undemonstrated speculation.

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na i think your wrong, at least in some sort of socialism, everyone, i mean us lot not the ptb, may all be equals. There always will be us and them, but they need to make sure all of us are the same, and capitalism will not bring that.

Just look at the eu, no matter for its faults, it is trying to bring about a level europe.

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Does someone else having more than you make you feel uncomfortable?

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No i do not care what you have as long as i can live. Who cares what others have.

Originally posted by andy1033
Who cares what others have.

My feelings exactly. So equality of ownership (socialism) is completey irrelevant

On topic: I will celebrate free energy when its there, not 100 years earlier.

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I'm not sure if I agree with you, but I do find your OP very interesting and I feel you might be correct - I just don't think we'll ever know.

Would it be possible for you to post some links and show some data about this? I'd really like to read more on the Civilization types and also how (you claim) Capitalism is impacting that.

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Originally posted by jokei
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I'm not sure if I agree with you, but I do find your OP very interesting and I feel you might be correct - I just don't think we'll ever know.

Would it be possible for you to post some links and show some data about this? I'd really like to read more on the Civilization types and also how (you claim) Capitalism is impacting that.

S+F

Everything that we need for going to past type 0 Civilization has already here because they are already invented by Nikola Tesla, Royal Rife, Wilhelm Reich, Viktor Schauberger, Joe X, etc. but their Inventions are suppressed by Capitalistic TPTB(Including Petro-oil and Pharmaceuticals) since these technologies will make Energy for running our civilization simply too cheap to profitable

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The thread states it exactly as it is. All banks and real estate is slavery, nothing more and nothing less by corporate and elite rule of the masses. To be charged money for lodging upon your home planet is obscene. We all have intrinsic rights to the land and resources of this planet, and yes, I take great offense that anyone has more than their share.

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This cycle is coming to an end, and its only Love, and a strong yearning for eden and equality that passes the test.

As an experiencer, I was told directly that Africa represents this world in the cosmos. Also, what to look for should disclosure come upon us. For there are some very negative groups working with this black ops here. Namely, end of monetary system and redistribution of all goods to all the people.

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Great thread, its time to talk about what its going to take to really pass this test and advance. Venus project, love, helping all those without and handing back the karma the leaders have dumped on us. Either strongly in our minds, or even better, writing to them, and letting them know that we endorse wars, starvation, banks, money, corporate rule, starvation, poisions in our water or food and basically their fascism in general. That we are chosing a new eden of equality, that we denounce all the stand for and that their karma falls back on them alone!

Then we can start to get the help we need.

Meditation, seeking your Higer Self, sungazing, making that connection to the only laser light source that is beaming in the broadcast and erecting this holographic universe, our sun, the stars, our phone home line. And really connect within to our heart, love, wisdom and feelings and start to find out how to overcome all lack of love, all materialism, all things that divide us. This isn't the same as lack of beauty, lack of equality, lack of clean technology. In fact, money is scarsity, the Venus project is abundance.

Free Energy(A.K.A. Perpetual Motion Machines) are all that we need to provides massive amount of energy needed for suitable industrial techniques for further developing energies like: Waterwheel, wind, and Solar

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No surprise here, capatalism stunts all spiritual growth and enlightenment, the materialistic is the addiction that is just as bad as any addiction to alcohol or drugs, because money is the strongest addiction.

Just ask Buddha!

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Perpetual motion defies the second law of thermodynamics. Please show the proof of your bold claims.

Originally posted by idiot prodigy
Perpetual motion defies the second law of thermodynamics. Please show the proof of your bold claims.

Universe's expansion by Perpetual creation(where the hydrogen in the universe comes from) really debunks the law of Conservation of energy for good!

The ideas where I make this thread are come from this: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by masonicon
Free Energy(A.K.A. Perpetual Motion Machines) are all that we need to provides massive amount of energy needed for suitable industrial techniques for further developing energies like: Waterwheel, wind, and Solar

Actually we do not need to invoke perpetual motion machines. We could use nuclear power provided we could take the profit margin out of the construction, maintenance and operation of nuclear power out of the equation. The additional spare time we would have would lead to more time to follow whatever interests us be it art or science. The massive brain drain from science to finance seen in the west would also stop.

Just in case no one has noticed capitalism is prone to booms, slumps, bubbles and collapses. If anyone has not read marx then suffice to say that Marx, Lenin and Trotsky would not have recognised he Soviet Union's politics after the rise of Stalin.

Capitalism also needs a permanent unemployed section of tghe population.

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Capitalism has some major flaws:

First, is that nothing gets done without money. If half of the world is starving, it doesn't matter if there's plenty of land, and unemployed labor willing to work it to create food... there simply isn't enough money to pay them.

Second, those with money use their advantage to exploit the poor. Who would slave away for thousands of hours a year if it wasn't for the desperate need for money? Plenty of wealth and prosperity is being created, but it's all going to the rich.

Third, because money dictates labor, only the desires of those who have money become realized. Typically, money is paid by the rich to have laborers which make them more rich, which might benefit the working person in the short term, but long-term simply increases the divide between rich and poor, so that now there is a category of people whose interests aren't represented and who cannot realize or obtain their goals or dreams because they don't have the money to make it happen. These things include alternative energy research, feeding the poor, establishing industries which make profitable ones obsolete, and endeavors which improve the condition of humankind.

New people who come into this world begin a game of life with no cards. Only by offering your labor can you get a piece of the pie that has already been divided up. Newcomers aren't allowed to make more pie (create money) nor are they allowed to have some created for them by the economic system. They must simply compete at a disadvantage with others who have already had powerful economic situations established.

The evil scheme of compound interest also serves to take money away from the poor and shift it toward the rich. The poor must borrow, the rich have so much that they loan it out, but with interest. Over time, their wealth simply accumulates until all money ends up in the hands of a very few.

The system works toward an end that is disgusting, inequitable, exploitative, and destructive.

We need to create a better system.

You know both Free Energy, Open Source Software, and Internet are the most important technologies for making us going past type 0 civilization, while Digital Rights management and planned obsolescence are also comes to play when making our civilization stuck at type 0 civilization.

It's not capitalism which gets in the way.

It's greed.