There is something VERY wrong with our Society.

Be it criminals that are not incarcerated or people that are charged with a crime that are not criminals.

I want to reiterate, if there is NO victim there is no crime!

We here at Above Top Secret keep hearing all kinds of stories, we hear all kinds of things that others do not.

I have to ask you, if someone does something, that does NOT hurt another, is it a CRIME?

In the US ( formerly known as the US of A) they use to actually ask you if you wanted to go to trial. Now, they use every effort to make you plea to an offense, to keep you from going to trial. Keep that in mind if you EVER get charged with a crime.

You have the RIGHT to a jury trial of your PEERS. You have the RIGHT to be confronted with EVIDENCE that you did ACTUALLY commit a crime.

Never wonder, never assume that your fellow citizens will convict you of crossing the DAMN road not in a crosswalk! Never assume that we as a people do not understand that JURY NULLIFICATION is a right.

Never forget, that we as a people, need to protect each other. Why is it that our country has the HIGHEST incarceration rate of any other country?

If you actually ask the question, did I do harm? Who is the victim? MAYBE, just MAYBE, someone like me will throw the CRAP out of trial.

IF THERE IS NO VICTIM, THERE IS NO CRIME!

i can kind of see what your going at but think about it for a sec. If someone breaks into my house and steals everything i own they didnt physically harm me but i will be financially harmed theres more than one type of harm. but ur right we should almost always ask for a jury.

reply to post by happygolucky


The OP does not express resentment towards the trial process...

And I whole-heartedly agree with the OP.

that jury duty card you posted heer wont print out rite for me but do you has a Git-Outa-Jail card that i can print out on heer? city cops dont like my pickup truck cause its open hedders and my jesus stickers so i have to be drunk to be modavated to go food shoppin wit food stamps in the city. the city slickers dont not look normal and look like satans workers so i drink to go into the city around the city slickers. cops like to put me in jail jus cause they dont like my jesus stickers cause they satan workers but they say i am drunk so they can put me in jail because they are satan workers



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It's interesting that in the US, jury nullification is still permitted but a jury is not permitted to know it:

A 1969 Fourth Circuit decision, U.S. v. Moylan, affirmed the right of jury nullification, but also upheld the power of the court to refuse to permit an instruction to the jury to this effect.[20]

We recognize, as appellants urge, the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given by the judge, and contrary to the evidence. This is a power that must exist as long as we adhere to the general verdict in criminal cases, for the courts cannot search the minds of the jurors to find the basis upon which they judge. If the jury feels that the law under which the defendant is accused, is unjust, or that exigent circumstances justified the actions of the accused, or for any reason which appeals to their logic or passion, the jury has the power to acquit, and the courts must abide by that decision.

Nevertheless, in upholding the refusal to permit the jury to be so instructed, the Court held that:

…by clearly stating to the jury that they may disregard the law, telling them that they may decide according to their prejudices or consciences (for there is no check to insure that the judgment is based upon conscience rather than prejudice), we would indeed be negating the rule of law in favor of the rule of lawlessness. This should not be allowed.

Wickipedia

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reply to post by chaseninja


They, whoever they were, besides the direct harm, they infringed on your rights of property. They stole your property. That is a crime of infringement.

reply to post by happygolucky


What are you kidding me? It is my RESPONSIBILITY of my citizenry that I was selected for a jury.

Hell NO is my response to your question.

I felt obligated in this society to be given the RIGHT as a jurist. You need to reread the OP.

reply to post by lemonfresh


I do not know exactly what you are stating, but I will say that if you did not harm someone, or infringe on their rights, you shall be set free by me, if I was in your jury.

reply to post by FortAnthem


Why would the priest class let us know our rights? Hell we have judges of the priest class tell us LIES!

As a jurist, you have every RIGHT to understand the LAW and every right to decide that the LAW or "color of law" is wrong!

Thanks for the affirmation.

[edit on 5/11/2010 by endisnighe]

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by lemonfresh

 

I do not know exactly what you are stating, but I will say that if you did not harm someone, or infringe on their rights, you shall be set free by me, if I was in your jury.

I like how you stand behind your convictions...

Does this include possession drug charges?

reply to post by endisnighe

What are you kidding me?

Ya, actually I was...but you, and others, appear to have forgotten to take your sense-o-humor pill today. Or, maybe you are out of them - let me know so I can write you another prescription...

reply to post by happygolucky


No humor, if I was being humorous, I would be on my other sites.
I only try to extend my point of view here to further my absolute thesis.
You, or I or anyone else that has not harmed another or infringed on their rights is NOT a criminal.

reply to post by Tharsis


Absolutely, did you harm someone? No, then you committed no crime.

reply to post by endisnighe


It's not just society but people, human beings, in general. We are a fundamentally insane species always trying to screw each other over. We're not the brightest bunch which is why I'm surprised we've even made it this far without going extinct.

reply to post by Titen-Sxull


Oh, you give us humans a bad character. Not all of us are ignorant.

Just the ones in control.

I have to ask, why is it that the # seems to float to the top?

I know why, but will give you a chance to explain.

Sounds good

Too bad it rarely applies to people who are apart of large entities when they act upon the behalf of...

FED
Corporations
Military
society as a whole

Try proving the jet fuel at a nearby airport gave you a specific cancer caused by jet fuel.


Or hitting that couch in the middle of the freeway

reply to post by Janky Red


Someone with a complete mirrored image of an economic system then my ideal.

Tell me JR, can we trust either side?

Can we trust the cronie capitalists or the cronie socialists?

What EXACTLY is the difference between the two?

Is there a difference?

I have understood the difference in both systems of economics, if the SAME people or corporations control the system, WHAT the HELL is the difference?

Just wondering, if we swap one tyrant for the other, will it help?

Time to make ALL markets BLACK.

Frell, what is the fiat currency worth?

Originally posted by endisnigheAbsolutely, did you harm someone? No, then you committed no crime.

Agree 100%.

I feel our witch-hunt society, deep down, knows that we have been cannibalizing our own citizens for years. Destroying their lives and creating a segment of dependent society. I feel we half want to keep the gov't away from us BUT with an eye on it at all times...so we subconsciously allow these injustices to go own before us with little to no resistance.

This is a topic that is rarely touched upon where I am from, I am glad you spoke freely, like a true human being.

[edit on 5/11/2010 by endisnighe]

Originally posted by endisnighe
I have to ask, why is it that the # seems to float to the top?

...floaters v/s sinkers - its all about the gas content...

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Janky Red

 

Someone with a complete mirrored image of an economic system then my ideal.

Tell me JR, can we trust either side?

Can we trust the cronie capitalists or the cronie socialists?

What EXACTLY is the difference between the two?

Is there a difference?

I have understood the difference in both systems of economics, if the SAME people or corporations control the system, WHAT the HELL is the difference?

Just wondering, if we swap one tyrant for the other, will it help?

Time to make ALL markets BLACK.

Frell, what is the fiat currency worth?

Well End... it's all bull, all of it, it is up to us to find happiness in a sea shiz-

You and I don't have many differences in what we want, if I am a socialist, I am a very poor one End. I LIVE with one foot in the Black market FYI, I bet you wonder how chairman Mao feels about my subversive activities? I think I get you more than
you get me, but thats ok...


Lets put it this way, if I wasn't so convinced that a hand full of billionaires wouldn't
come along and fill the power void I would give it a shot. I have no problem with wealth
or being able to start a hot dog stand where you please. But it does not mean I trust
in business enough to make the rules of the road for society, that is my hang. I have tried in so many ways to explain it, it is not based upon knee jerk reactions, it is based upon contemplation, I eventually hit the same wall. But no doubt we are adrift, if my concerns could be quelled with something other than government I would pull the lever myself.




[edit on 12-5-2010 by Janky Red]

reply to post by Janky Red

But it does not mean I trust in business enough to make the rules of the road for society, that is my hang.

This is no hang, my friend, and is a genuine concern. However, business can not make the rules in a free and open market and are as bound by the laws of supply and demand as are their customers. Further, in a free market where massive competition is the norm, it is the buyer who ultimately makes the rules and not the seller, for when a buyer has optimal choices to make a purchase, if businesses want to succeed, they must learn to respond to their customers needs and concerns.

Your contemplation has served you well, and will no doubt continue to serve you. It is not business that is making the rules today, it is the corporation, and there is a huge difference. A corporation is a separate legal entity that exist by grant of charter and is every bit as beholden to the People as the government is. That they have, both government and corporation, conspired to subjugate the People to their whims, only makes them thugs and bullies, and the best and surest way to deal with thuggery and bullies is to stand up to them and put them in their place.

Far easier said than done, I admit, given the size and force of the thugs and bullies we are dealing with, but what the hell, do you wanna live forever?