The Re-secure America’s Monetary Policy (RAMP) Act

Kucinich Bill Would Make Monetary Policy Work for the People

Washington D.C. (May 3, 2010) - With Washington in a struggle over the contours of financial reform, Congressman Kucinich (D-OH) is bringing forward a dramatic new proposal for monetary policy reform.

New technologies and payment systems have changed the way we do business. While banks have innovated, the Government has stood still. The recent financial crisis has highlighted that we should never have allowed the banks to take over monetary policy. Real businesses are now being starved of the money they need to grow our economy. Congressman Dennis Kucinich will tomorrow announce legislation designed to Re-secure America’s Monetary Policy for the economic interests of the American people and give this basic function back to the government.

I don't know about you but I can't wait to see what it is. I doubt anything Kucinich proposes will pass, but Ron Paul's audit the FED bill passed so who knows what's possible now.

*What do you think the proposal will say?
*Do you think it would be worth signing into law?

kucinich.us...

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its kind of hard to coment without seeing the entire bill...
do you have a link for that
or a draft at least?

Originally posted by DaddyBare
its kind of hard to coment without seeing the entire bill...
do you have a link for that
or a draft at least?

I looked over the internet and found nothing.
I think it's still in it's writing stage. We may get
to read it after it's presented though.
Will keep an eye out.

Originally posted by DaddyBare
reply to post by Misoir

 

its kind of hard to coment without seeing the entire bill...
do you have a link for that
or a draft at least?

He said he will announce it tomorrow. I just posted this for speculation until he announces it then I will post it on here.

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It damn well better not be a paperless currency. The first sumbitch that floats that idea..........

Well, I better not say, people are watching.



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That's what worried me too. When he started to mention how we have become more digital my first thought was, "Oh no, it can't be..."

Personally I don't know exactly what the downside of electronic currency is but I prefer gold/silver. What is so bad about digital/electronic currency other than christian lunatics going crazy?

[edit on 5/4/10 by Misoir]

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Misoir

 

It damn well better not be a paperless currency. The first sumbitch that floats that idea..........

Well, I better not say, people are watching.

edit to add better, did not make sense without

[edit on 5/4/2010 by endisnighe]

Well I am glad we agree upon that -

Thats one of my lines in the sand

Change my name to Janky Nutsack if they try to bust that out,

buy me a turban and all

OP

Lets hope this is a good thing, Dennis is one of a very small few group of few on either side who I feel has some real substance... Hope he wont let us down...

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by endisnighe

 

That's what worried me too. When he started to mention how we have become more digital my first thought was, "Oh no, it can't be..."

Personally I don't know exactly what the downside of electronic currency is but I prefer gold/silver. What is so bad about digital/electronic currency other than christian lunatics going crazy?

[edit on 5/4/10 by Misoir]

Really, really they don't want to go there

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Yes, the first politician that floats that idea better have some very, very, very good protection.

And Misoir, if you do not know the problem with a paperless currency, you do need to do some more reading here on this site.

I suggest looking into some of SKL's threads. I think he has gone over the problem with the government controlling all transactions.

And that is what it would be, total control.

If it ends the Feds grasp on the monetary system, and assuming it doesn't replace it with an equally stupid thing, I will gladly support it.

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I completely forgot about that point - Total control.

I would actually prefer them to not be in the business of handling money. I don't mind them being involved in minting gold/silver coins for currency but other than that is a step too far. Look what is happening when they just have control over the printing of our money let alone control over every transaction!

I understand the problem now. If he proposes that he will lose all my respect and will join all the Neocons and corporatists on my list of hated politicians which will make the list up to 400 now.

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by endisnighe

 

That's what worried me too. When he started to mention how we have become more digital my first thought was, "Oh no, it can't be..."

Personally I don't know exactly what the downside of electronic currency is but I prefer gold/silver. What is so bad about digital/electronic currency other than christian lunatics going crazy?

[edit on 5/4/10 by Misoir]

Are you serious?

You don't know what the downside is?

1)The myriad of small businesses that do cash only transactions would be crushed.

2) They would attach and increase fees on,every transaction like an added tax.

3) The money manipulators would have no boundaries and the books they're already cooking coulbe broiled roasted and regurgitated in whatever manner is most beneficial to them.

4) Banks would have no reason to loan or invest as they could just pop a couple zeros on the profit margin.

5) Rates of exchange and use in other countries would be severely limited.

Think for a minute and I'm sure you could come up with a lot more.

I don't understand the fear of Rothschild etc, if I were president I would just recruit my own secret service agents/bodyguards from here:

www.i-mef.usmc.mil...
(second and third as well)

And then just watch the banks try and pull a Kennedy on me as I dismantled them.

ISHAMAGI

90+% of all money in the USA is digital already so that stuff you're describing is pretty much already true today.

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Janky Red

 

I suggest looking into some of SKL's threads. I think he has gone over the problem with the government controlling all transactions.

And that is what it would be, total control.

Agree,

I think you folks on the right should be vigilant about another thing, which will
be wrapped in a free market flag.

When they finally, decide to do the real ID, corps will likely try to have it replace all ATM, Credit cards... ALL CARDS, just tie everything to your Real ID without by using the ID as a base for everything, each company building on the model.

I PREY TO GOD, PREY TO WHATEVER GOOD THERE IS,
that you guys will not stand for that, even if it is touted as free market, etc, etc...
The mass sheeple non politically aware will eat it up because it will be the ultimate connivance, 1 card for everything. The "motive" will be it will save plastic cards and all the associated fees business's incur, fraud reduction etc...

I can't stand Kucinich; nor Greyson for that matter; yet Greyson seems to be on the right side of HR1207...

It just pains so severely.

I nearly throw up when I consider trusting a politician to have any good ideas.

Something innovative that we, with common sense, can all get behind.

There's always something (read: everything) in it for them... Nothing for us ... Or a really BAD scenario like ... Oreos and no milk ... Jello ... with hands tied behind our backs; abbreviations with no period... Sentence fragments ... with no elipsis!


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I can't decide if I should be hopeful or if I should dread what will be in this bill... The title of it sounds promising, but given the bills they've put through Congress lately I don't want to get my hopes up that they're finally going to do something smart for a change. Still, here's hoping it's actually meant to fix something and not yet another way to give the federal government more control than they already have or than they should have.

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Oh, you have seen the Democrat Immigration proposal right?

Amnesty and a biometric, RFID, social security card (socialist's card I call it). Nice of the Dem head of the two headed snake from hell trying to float that one in there.

I tell you, the things coming out of dc are really beginning to wake up the masses. People just the other night at the bar, were all talking about that proposal. I have NEVER seen people so pissed in public like that before about government.

I asked a couple of questions and ALL of them had been reading up on it.

I tell you, one thing about this administration, they are pushing people to my side of the field. They all said this is getting ridiculous. I have a feeling this fall, incumbents and especially the Dems better watch what they say.

Frelling McCain and those like him are just killing their own chances. Calling for removing Miranda rights or pulling peoples citizenship.

What are they going to do with them. Put them in prison forever? Hell, someone that attempts a crime or commits a crime can be punished. But let us say that you pull someone's citizenship, where will you send them. Where will they go? These idiot's need to think before they open their poopshoots.

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They'll never eliminate cash. That's what keeps the narcotics business rolling. The CIA, which is in charge of the narcotics trade, would be sad. Of course, the CIA being happy isn't working out too good for the US or the world for that matter. Isn't their an I-Phone app that lets you process credit card payments? Perhaps that could be approved for drug payments, except for crackheads who will still have to pucker up for their fix.

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Janky Red

 

Oh, you have seen the Democrat Immigration proposal right?

Amnesty and a biometric, RFID, social security card (socialist's card I call it). Nice of the Dem head of the two headed snake from hell trying to float that one in there.

I tell you, the things coming out of dc are really beginning to wake up the masses. People just the other night at the bar, were all talking about that proposal. I have NEVER seen people so pissed in public like that before about government.

I asked a couple of questions and ALL of them had been reading up on it.

I tell you, one thing about this administration, they are pushing people to my side of the field. They all said this is getting ridiculous. I have a feeling this fall, incumbents and especially the Dems better watch what they say.

Frelling McCain and those like him are just killing their own chances. Calling for removing Miranda rights or pulling peoples citizenship.

What are they going to do with them. Put them in prison forever? Hell, someone that attempts a crime or commits a crime can be punished. But let us say that you pull someone's citizenship, where will you send them. Where will they go? These idiot's need to think before they open their poopshoots.

[edit on 5/4/2010 by endisnighe]

Thats why I mention it...

Keep this in mind

I have a friend, works for a BIG company we all know

He says his company and many others will be the ones who will discontinue their
cards, for as many reasons as you can think of... The companies will no longer issue
their cards so you will have one choice A, B, C, D companies 1 choice (what I have ramble on about with my distain for corps, like your for gov) because there is NO OTHER OPTION LEFT. As he tells it so far the cards are legislated solely for a few purposes, but I am not sure... He thinks this will happen soon the card BTW as he has
been in several meetings about strategies... The companies will use the identifier and then build on top of that... Like free accounting, fraud protection, issuance, design, shared information, marketing, credit monitoring without having to pay for any of it, all you need are computers and programers, get my drift???

What his company is worried about is politicians trying to legislate further to prohibit this card from being used as a baseboard for a new transaction model. There are already a few third party companies that are gearing up to do the Point of Sale model
which will be used by the Corps. All they need is a campaign to defeat any legislation that will bar private use and there we go... It will probably save hundreds of billions over time I reckon.

Anyhow, thats you guys, you're gonna have to keep your eye on that one. If it has the free market banner, let them do it, save them money, us money shtick attached to it, it won't sound like what it really is. This time you will be marketed too, right where it hits the conservative heart muscle,,, but like I said its the same shiz, the fed can just track that, same diff, right?

Just imagine if ALL banks use the card and do away with checks, cards one day cash?
I shudder...

Anyhow I was going to write about this a while back but you know the burden of proof
you need here and there was no ID on the eminent horizon a few months back so I didn't want to look like more of a dick.




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