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Glen Beck and Martin Luther King

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posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 09:44 PM
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Glen Beck has talked often about Martin Luther King and his peaceful protests...and his fight for the poor and civil rights....and has often referred to MLK on his show.

Strangely, Martin Luther King is the very definition of a SOCIALIST by Glen Beck.

Martin Luther King fought for ECONOMIC and SOCIAL JUSTICE.

Remembering Dr. Martin Luther King's Economic Justice Vision





The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was as committed to economic justice as he was to ending segregation. And yet, Dr. King's speeches on economic justice and eradicating poverty are still not as well known as his speeches on racial discrimination. These speeches, about helping the poorest Americans, regardless of race, speak to problems that the nation is still struggling with 40 years later.

As the nation deals with rising unemployment and an ongoing debate about the need for an economic recovery plan, we have an opportunity to take second look at some of these lesser-known speeches:

"The time has come for an all-out world war against poverty. The rich nations must use their vast resources of wealth to develop the underdeveloped, school the unschooled, and feed the unfed. Ultimately a great nation is a compassionate nation. No individual or nation can be great if it does not have a concern for "the least of these." – The Quest for Peace and Justice, December 11, 1964.

"But we must see that the struggle today is much more difficult. It's more difficult today because we are struggling now for genuine equality. And it's much easier to integrate a lunch counter than it is to guarantee a livable income and a good solid job. It's much easier to guarantee the right to vote than it is to guarantee the right to live in sanitary, decent housing conditions. It is much easier to integrate a public park than it is to make genuine, quality, integrated education a reality. And so today we are struggling for something which says we demand genuine equality." – The Other America, April 14, 1967.

"…this is America's opportunity to help bridge the gulf between the haves and the have-nots. The question is whether America will do it. There is nothing new about poverty. What is new is that we now have the techniques and the resources to get rid of poverty. The real question is whether we have the will." – Remaining Awake Through a Great Revolution, March 31, 1968.


www.civilrights.org...


Martin Luther King did not just fight against segregation and for civil rights....he fought for the poor....he fought for the working man. He was also an advocate for peace.

Martin Luther King preached much of the opposite of Glen Beck's "version" of Libertarianism. Martin Luther King was a Democratic Socialist.




[edit on 25-4-2010 by David9176]




posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 09:47 PM
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Seems Glenn Beck is a walking contradiction then.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
Seems Glenn Beck is a walking contradiction then.


I've never met anyone that wasn't a complete contradiction. Including myself.

I believe in the Balance of the Universal energy. (Yin yang + - on off dark light)

That is how it stabilizes itself, imo.

Find me one person who has NEVER contradicted themselves? (That is alive today that we can question and interview).



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 10:03 PM
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I agree with you so much. If I could make that I will. But I can not. Because I know I will lose.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
Seems Glenn Beck is a walking contradiction then.


I've never met anyone that wasn't a complete contradiction. Including myself.

I believe in the Balance of the Universal energy. (Yin yang + - on off dark light)

That is how it stabilizes itself, imo.

Find me one person who has NEVER contradicted themselves? (That is alive today that we can question and interview).


Yes people are. But most are just doing it to be themselves. Not manipulating people to the tune of millions.

Beck is the ulimate flip/flopper. He purposely puts both sides against the middle to stoke anger.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 10:18 PM
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Glenn Beck is an idiot.

Martin Luther King may well have been a socialist - does that make who he was less important in anyones opinion here? - If so you can join my understanding of Glenn Beck.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 10:21 PM
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Martin Luther King may well have been a socialist - does that make who he was less important in anyones opinion here?


IMO absolutely not....I am just pointing out Beck's blatant hypocrisy. MLK was obviously one of the most important people in the history of our country when it comes to equal rights.

MLK stood for much of what Beck DOES NOT. That's really the whole point of the thread.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 10:38 PM
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Funny thing is MLK was also a Registered Republican I believe...

However I think it is safe to say he was extremely liberal, at least in the way I am.

I really think Peck is a maniacal genius of sorts with the fortitude of rice pudding.

If I were like him I would feel deeply ashamed for what I was, then I would take the Bently out on a spin...

All I know is his characterization of Jesus' teachings was the best, I really doubt he believes in god or the afterlife based upon that.

I hope the underworld has KY for his sake



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 10:52 PM
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Funny thing is MLK was also a Registered Republican I believe...


You're right...he was....but his views today wouldn't be considered Republican. Republicans also used to defend unions as well. Many things have changed since then.

As I've stated many times, GB takes a 1 pound bag of truth and fills it with 100 pounds of BS and calls it history.

Other black Republicans...for S's and G's..
www.nbra.info...

[edit on 25-4-2010 by David9176]



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 10:57 PM
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So, if Glenn Beck hates MLK or does not believe in what MLK stood for, why did he have Alveda King and the Nuge on the other night.

Yes, everything he says is an absolute lie. Funny how instead of attacking what he says, it is always an attack on him.

What is that again?

What is it that you do not agree with?

Oh, I forgot, this is not about Beck's statements, it is about Beck.

Let me see, attack Ron Paul, attack Glenn Beck, attack Alex Jones, attack ATS, attack Celente etc etc etc. Do not attack the messages because you cannot disprove them, so attack the messenger.

I think some people should take a look at that ADL thread. It seems a lot of people that keep writing these type threads just seem not to get in those threads.

WHY IS THAT?

Why is it some people here that complain about the government do not get on the threads that make their government look bad? Why is that? Is it because your guys are in power now?

Probably. I just do not seem to understand. Please explain it for me.

I am just an ijut I guess. What anti government or ant totalitarian state person out there is okay to listen to?

Do you statists have anyone that speaks the truth?

Should I go to like the Huff Po for the info? Is there a writer there that is not a statist?

Hmmmm, David bitches about the Federal Reserve and places like GS amongst other things, yet thinks more control BY THESE VERY ENTITIES is the way to go.

It is almost like it is TWO different things here. Almost like it is a two face trick.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 11:02 PM
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There is a difference between charity and forced redistribution. I didn't see MLK saying anything about the government "taking" from the rich and giving to the poor.

Charity is all good, one SHOULD want to help people out. That is a very good feeling to have.
The thing is, you should have the choice to do so or not.

Saying, "hey we should help people out who don't have the money to eat." Is far different from saying, "you can't have that 40oz steak because someone else needs to eat."

The former is charity, the latter is socialism.

I saw MLK advocating charity.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 11:02 PM
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Yeah. Beck is a charlatan.

BTW,

He's doing some big thing here in Texas for Rick Perry and oil interests in the next few days or weeks.

Bought and sold man! Its his soul. He has to answer for it.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 11:04 PM
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He's doing some big thing here in Texas for Rick Perry and oil interests in the next few days or weeks.


Wait a minute...I though he didn't like Rick Perry?

WTF happened there? LOL



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 11:11 PM
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I saw MLK advocating charity.


MLK believed in guaranteed income.



Two conditions are indispensable if we are to ensure that the guaranteed income operates as a consistently progressive measure. First, it must be pegged to the median income of society, not the lowest levels of income. To guarantee an income at the floor would simply perpetuate welfare standards and freeze into the society poverty conditions. Second, the guaranteed income must be dynamic; it must automatically increase as the total social income grows. Were it permitted to remain static under growth conditions, the recipients would suffer a relative decline. If periodic reviews disclose that the whole national income has risen, then the guaranteed income would have to be adjusted upward by the same percentage. Without these safeguards a creeping retrogression would occur, nullifying the gains of security and stability.


www.progress.org...

I've never actually heard about this until just now...which blows my mind. Not something you'll see in the MSM. This quote is from MLK's last book before he was assassinated.

I'm sure Glen Beck's research team will take the time off from Obama to research MLK's want of "guaranteed income."


[edit on 26-4-2010 by David9176]



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 11:42 PM
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End, I personally don't like Glenn Beck because he is full of #.
He is a master manipulator, he distorts fact and history to gel with his own narrative
and does so by appealing to emotions. People forget his show is entertainment based, seems people forget he is on TV too, people also seem to for get that he is an Elite that works for TPTB...

BTW have you asked yourself why TPTB would have a man on TV "informing" the masses about the entire plot and also fund his mission with AD dollars?

If TPTB is that retarded we have nothing to worry about-
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End

We are all entitled to our own opinions aren't we?

Your views are far more prevalent here so I suggest you don't get angry with the small minority who are not keen on "your" method of discourse or "your" public crusaders.

Also, I think everyone should kill their TVs personally, we might fix much by spending
our idol time doing useful things.

The OP IS IMO the very reason GB became popular on ATS, I know how well versed David is in his persona, rhetoric and tactics. HE is posting out of knowledge, not ignorance.




[edit on 25-4-2010 by Janky Red]



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 11:47 PM
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Hmmmm, David bitches about the Federal Reserve and places like GS amongst other things, yet thinks more control BY THESE VERY ENTITIES is the way to go.


WHO ELSE IS GOING TO DO IT? What is your solution? Simply putting regulations that were in place 30 frickin years ago doesn't seem like a bad thing to me. Glen Beck doesn't talk about enforcing anti-trust laws...he doesn't talk about tariffs...instead he talks about tax cuts for GD corporations and how we need to except the pain for them to come back to our country. He constantly has Karl Rove on his show who was a force behind the Bush administration that left this country in peril....but then says he didn't like Bush.

All this looks like to me is that you are upset that I'm being critical of GB. You blame the big financial institutions, mega corporations, and the Federal Reserve for all of our problems....the richest and most powerful forces in our government....but then go off and defend the same people behind those forces because you don't think their GD taxes should be raised.

As a previous poster stated...Glen Beck is a fake. For all the talk you give about getting beyond propaganda...you can't seem to get beyond it yourself.



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by endisnighe
 





Hmmmm, David bitches about the Federal Reserve and places like GS amongst other things, yet thinks more control BY THESE VERY ENTITIES is the way to go.


WHO ELSE IS GOING TO DO IT? What is your solution? Simply putting regulations that were in place 30 frickin years ago doesn't seem like a bad thing to me. Glen Beck doesn't talk about enforcing anti-trust laws...he doesn't talk about tariffs...instead he talks about tax cuts for GD corporations and how we need to except the pain for them to come back to our country. He constantly has Karl Rove on his show who was a force behind the Bush administration that left this country in peril....but then says he didn't like Bush.

All this looks like to me is that you are upset that I'm being critical of GB. You blame the big financial institutions, mega corporations, and the Federal Reserve for all of our problems....the richest and most powerful forces in our government....but then go off and defend the same people behind those forces because you don't think their GD taxes should be raised.

As a previous poster stated...Glen Beck is a fake. For all the talk you give about getting beyond propaganda...you can't seem to get beyond it yourself.





Either Beck is actually mentally challenged, he is actually an elite or he has a serious case of battered wife syndrome...

or combo



posted on Apr, 26 2010 @ 12:19 AM
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The OP IS IMO the very reason GB became popular on ATS


Most likely.
I can't take it back either. Just flat out didn't see it then nor did I know what I was truly defending.

It's easy to take the bait if you get all your information from one source or news media....which is what I was doing.

Yes, I was an avid Fox News watcher.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by Mr Headshot
There is a difference between charity and forced redistribution. I didn't see MLK saying anything about the government "taking" from the rich and giving to the poor.

Charity is all good, one SHOULD want to help people out. That is a very good feeling to have.
The thing is, you should have the choice to do so or not.

Saying, "hey we should help people out who don't have the money to eat." Is far different from saying, "you can't have that 40oz steak because someone else needs to eat."

The former is charity, the latter is socialism.

I saw MLK advocating charity.


MLK most definitely believed in the power to make real social changes through the federal government and this included redistribution of wealth, reparations, legislation supporting unions, quotas for employment, massive economic aid programs for the poor...
If you want to call that Socialism go ahead, i do not think he would have a problem with that

some quotes to start with:

Martin Luther King speaking at the Southern Christian Leadership Conference Presidential Address August 1967

"...as I move to my conclusion, as we talk about "Where do we go from here," that we honestly face the fact that the movement must address itself to the question of restructuring the whole of American society. There are forty million poor people here. And one day we must ask the question, "Why are there forty million poor people in America?" And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I'm simply saying that more and more, we've got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. It means that questions must be raised. You see, my friends, when you deal with this, you begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?"..."


Martin Luther King speaking at WMU December 1963:

"...Now the other myth that gets around is the idea that legislation cannot really solve the problem and that it has no great role to play in this period of social change because you've got to change the heart and you can't change the heart through legislation. You can't legislate morals. The job must be done through education and religion. Well, there's half-truth involved here. Certainly, if the problem is to be solved then in the final sense, hearts must be changed. Religion and education must play a great role in changing the heart. But we must go on to say that while it may be true that morality cannot be legislated, behavior can be regulated. It may be true that the law cannot change the heart but it can restrain the heartless..."

Martin Luther King in Playboy interview January 1965:

PLAYBOY: Along with the other civil rights leaders, you have often proposed a massive program of economic aid, financed by the federal government, to improve the lot of the nation's 20,000,000 Negroes. Just one of the projects you've mentioned, however -- the HARYOU-ACT program to provide jobs for Negro youths -- is expected to cost $141,000,000 over the next ten years, and that includes only Harlem. A nationwide program such as you propose would undoubtedly run into the billions.

MARTIN LUTHER KING: About 50 billion, actually -- which is less than one year of our present defense spending. It is my belief that with the expenditure of this amount, over a ten-year period, a genuine and dramatic transformation could be achieved in the conditions of Negro life in America. I am positive, moreover, that the money spent would be more than amply justified by the benefits that would accrue to the nation through a spectacular decline in school dropouts, family breakups, crime rates, illegitimacy, swollen relief rolls, rioting and other social evils.



posted on Aug, 25 2010 @ 06:51 AM
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THe problem is, the definition of what MLK meant by social justice is NOT the social justice that is sought today.....

In fact Glenn had one of his relatives on the show, who was active in MLK movement, who was very upfront with what MLK was preaching and what is going on today in his name.......

You take every chance you can get to slam Beck, infact David, most of your threads lately are slamming him.......seems to me you need to take down that pic you have in your avatar, because you have NO idea what it means....

D r Kings family on Glenn Beck



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