Its not the question of could it happed and don’t say it never happened! The question is when will

Its not the question of could it happed and don’t say it never happened! The question is when will it happen again and can we survive? how its ties into 2012.

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Its not the question of could it happed and don’t say it never happened! The question is when will it happen again and can we survive?

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1. Lets start with Solar Flares: Massive Power Grid Failure in 2012 It happen before and NASA says it will happen again around 2012.
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A. NASA Claims Sun's Polar Shift Due In 2012
from NASAScience Website
Solar System - Did you notice? In February 2001, the Sun did a magnetic polar shift. The next one is due again in 2012. NASA scientists who monitor the Sun say that our star's awesome magnetic field
flipped 22 months ago, signaling the arrival of a solar maximum. But it wasn't so obvious to the average human. The Sun's magnetic north pole, which was in the northern hemisphere just a few months ago, now points south. It's a topsy-turvy situation, but not an unexpected one.
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B. The Hydro Quebec Blackout of March 1989 - a dangerous event triggered by space weather.
On March 13, 1989, at 2:44 am, a transformer failure on one of the main power transmission lines in the HydroQuebec system precipitated a catastrophic collapse of the entire power grid. The string of events that produced the collapse took only 90 seconds from start to finish. There was no time for any meaningful intervention. The transformer failure was a direct consequence of ground induced currents from a space weather disturbance high in the atmosphere. 6 million people lost electrical power for 9 or more hours. The space weather disturbance that produced this devastation was a great magnetic storm. Great magnetic storms are awesome disturbances in the near-Earth space environment that occur relatively rarely. The last five occurred in February 1986, March 1989, March 1991, November 1991 and May 1992. The frequency of large and great storms increases markedly as we enter the maximum in the solar activity cycle.
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C. In early September in 1859, telegraph wires suddenly shorted out in the United States and Europe, igniting widespread fires. Colorful aurora, normally visible only in polar regions, were seen as far south as Rome and Hawaii. The event 144 years ago was three times more powerful than the strongest space storm in modern memory, one that cut power to an entire Canadian province in 1989. A new account of the 1859 event, from research led by Bruce Tsurutani of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, details the most powerful onslaught of solar energy in recorded history. The Great Storm: Solar Tempest of 1859 Revealed at SPACE.com
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D. If one happened like the one in 1856 it would Disrupted systems Communications , Navigation systems , Satellite hardware damage ,Geologic exploration , Electric grid , Pipelines, Instruments, just to name a few things that would go down. Fromm the list above that a ripple affte would happen affting every aspctied of life !en.wikipedia.org...




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2. Earthquakes that changed our world: 2012 AND THE RING OF FIRE.
Natural Disasters Leading Up to 2012.

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A. Quake changed Earth’s shape, scientists say
Courtesy NASA
and World Science staff Jan. 12, 2005
Scientists using data from the Indonesian earthquake calculated it changed the Earth’s rotation, decreased the length of day, slightly changed the planet’s shape, and shifted the North Pole by centimeters. Benjamin Fong Chao of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Maryland, and Richard Gross of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., said all earthquakes have some effect on Earth’s rotation. It’s just they are usually barely noticeable. “Any worldly event that involves the movement of mass affects the Earth’s rotation, from seasonal weather down to driving a car,” Chao said.
Chao and Gross have been routinely calculating earthquakes’ effects in changing the Earth’s rotation in both length-of-day as well as changes in Earth’s gravitational field. They also study changes in polar motion that is shifting the North Pole. The “mean,” or average, position of the pole was shifted by about 2.5 centimeters (1 inch) in the direction of 145º East Longitude. This shift east is continuing a long-term seismic trend identified in previous studies.
They also found the earthquake decreased the length of day by 2.68 millionths of a second. The reason is that the quake caused the Earth to become slightly more compact. This results in a faster rotation, for the reason that a spinning skater will turn faster if she draws her arms inward. The quake also affected the Earth’s shape, the researchers found. They found Earth’s oblateness (flattening on the top and bulging at the equator) decreased by about one part in 10 billion. This continues a trend of earthquakes making Earth less oblate.
www.world-science.net... ... akefrm.htm
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B. NASA:Chile Quake Knocked Earth Off Its Axis
March 3, 2010 National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) reported that the Chile Earthquake knocked earth off its axis, saying that length of the earth day (the time it takes for the Earth to spin once in its orbit around the sun) was shortened by 1.26 microseconds.
The earthquake, which struck earlier this week in Chile and measured 8.8 on the Richter scale, has supposedly moved the Earth about 3 inches (8 centimetres) off its axis of rotation. That might not sound like much for a planet roughly 30,000 miles in circumference but it definitely got the scientists, physicists and astronomers a bit worried. The change in the axis is perhaps not surprising considering the earth is travelling so quickly in orbit around the sun. The 8.8 Richter earthquake that so devastatingly hit Chile earlier this week can be compared to the ringing of an earth sized bell. The reverberations were bound to have an effect on the rotation and axis.
www.trendpk.com... ... 25275.html

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3. Another planet slamming into earth: Planet X, Nibiru.
2012 and the Planet X (Nibiru).

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A. At the time Earth formed 4.5 billion years ago, other smaller planetary bodies were also growing. One of these hit earth late in Earth's growth process, blowing out rocky debris. A fraction of that debris went into orbit around the Earth and aggregated into the moon.

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4. A asteroid slamming into earth changing the world: NOSTRADAMUS, ASTEROID IMPACT
2012 AD

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A. The asteroid believed responsible for the cataclysm on June 30, 1908 became a fireball from the sky and knocked pine trees over like matchsticks near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in Russia. Such an explosion today over more populated areas could lay waste an entire city. Earth has been hit by NEOs many times in the past; ancient craters are still visible in landforms around the world. The famed Meteor Crater in Arizona and Canada’s Lake Manicouagan are only two examples www.sciencedaily.com... ... 212723.htm


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B. Mass extinctions and impacts
In the past 540 million years there have been five generally-accepted, major mass extinctions that on average extinguished half of all species. One of the largest mass extinction to have affected life on Earth was in the Permian-Triassic, which ended the Permian period 250 million years ago and killed off 90% of all species[27]; life on Earth took 30 million years to recover.[28]The cause of the Permian-Triassic extinction is still matter of debate with the age and origin of proposed impact craters, i.e. the Bedout High structure, hypothesized to be associated with it are still controversial.[29] The last such mass extinction led to the demise of the dinosaurs and coincided with a large meteorite impact; this is the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event (also known as the K–T extinction event). There is no definitive evidence of impacts leading to the four other major mass extinctions.
en.wikipedia.org... ... nd_impacts

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5. Pole reversal: Earth's Magnetic. Sun and Earth 2012 Polar Shifts.
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A. Right now the Earth’s axis at the North Pole points to the star Polaris – which appropriately we call the Pole Star. But 5,000 years ago the north celestial pole aligned to the star called Alpha Draconis. More than 20 years ago, the first conclusive evidence was found on the sea floors that the earth's north and south poles have switched places repeatedly over the course of geologic time. The last reversal occurred some 710,000 years ago. For most of a million years before that, the north pole was the south pole and vice versa. Epochs of shorter duration on the order of 50,000 years can be found in the geologic record, but for the most part, each seems to last between 200,000 and 1,000,000 years. More than 20 years ago, the first conclusive evidence was found on the sea floors that the earth's north and south poles have switched places repeatedly over the course of geologic time. The last reversal occurred some 710,000 years ago. For most of a million years before that, the north pole was the south pole and vice versa. Epochs of shorter duration on the order of 50,000 years can be found in the geologic record, but for the most part, each seems to last between 200,000 and 1,000,000 years.
www.gi.alaska.edu...

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B. When North Becomes South: New Clues to Earth's Magnetic Flip-Flops
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 01:00 pm ET
07 April 2004
Next time Earth's magnetic field flips, compass needles will point South instead of North. But scientists can't say when it will occur, and until now they've disagreed on how long the transitions take.
A new study pins down how long it took for the last four reversals to play out. It also finds that the dramatic turnarounds occur more quickly nearer the equator than at higher latitudes closer to the poles.
That means folks living during the next reversal -- which some scientists speculate might be underway -- will see compasses change and behave differently in different locations, study leader Brad Clement, of Florida International University, told SPACE.com.
www.space.com... ... 40407.html

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6. Volcanoes that changed our world: 2012 AND THE RING OF FIRE.
Natural Disasters Leading Up to 2012. 2012 completes 74,000 year cycle of super volcano.

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A. 2012 completes a 74,000 year cycle of super volcano – all signs point towards a massive under water eruption
India Daily Technology Team
Jan. 8, 2006
The underwater volcanoes are increasing exponentially. The harmonic tremors are also on a steep rise. A 74,000 year cycle of devastating super volcano nears as we approach 2012. The December 2004 Tsunami epicenter points towards a possible site for the super volcano . According to some geologists, it is possible that the recent Tsunami is precursor to a massive shift in tectonic plates and a super volcanic eruption in that area dwarfing what happened even 74,000 years back. The year 2012 is specially mentioned in many ancient civilizations as something to be scared about. Many believe that will the year when human civilizations will be threatened. It is the year some say when the whole human civilization will change forever. 74,000 years back a massive volcano in Sumatra filled the earth's atmosphere with dark cloud for years. The event reduced the world temperature by 8 to 10 degrees Celsius. Close to 80% of the living beings including humans were dead on the earth. According legends among Indonesia tribes, the calamity was accompanied. The super eruptions can cause massive calamity devastating all vegetations and farming in the earth causing massive starvation and hunger. According to some geologists, the next one is due around 2012 based on that 74,000-year cycle. Many are pointing towards Yellow Stone National Park in America where Earth's crust is wafer thin in geological scale. Mount St. Helens has started erupting. The Geological calm of the world is extremely disturbed. Tsunamis, Landslides, Minor earthquakes in tune of thousands are shaking the whole world's tectonic plates. Most countries are reporting unusual weather patterns and excessive major and minor quakes. In many parts of the world lakes are losing their water and manifesting a sinkhole. Mud volcanoes and geysers in Yellow Stone National Park
are manifesting excessive temperature rise and increased frequencies of eruption.
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B. Volcanic Eruptions Caused Ancient Warming And Cooling
www.livescience.com... ... e-age.html

Great research. There's too much happening. The "it's just coincidence" argument goes only so far. We're getting our wake-up call. Anyone listening? "Eveything counts in large amounts..." S+F.

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2012 will come and go, imo, with nothing major happening.


Why do I think this? Because it's an arbitrary date, and there's no scientific evidence to suggest it means anything, or that some major disaster is on the horizon.

Which leaves us with nothing but speculation on the part of people who have nothing better to do with their time but predict the future -- and anyone who's been on ATS long enough knows that people who predict the future are wrong 100% of the time.

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Hey, nice orobouros... you ever read The Sanctuary? I think one good possibility is that something will happen that will make all of our electronics stop working. There will be no electricity, no phones, no cars containing electric components such as batteries, no planes, no tvs, no internet. And this will last a good 10 thousand years, long enough for us to forget about a lot of it. Then it will take 30,000 years to get back to that point and it will start all over. It will be amazing and terrible at the same time, like most rebirths. We will become more connected to nature and closer to God. But that will be forgotten eventually asd well and we will turn b ack to technology to solve everything again.

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Never read Sanctuary. We are doomed to repeat history you know. We never seem to come up with a reliable or decipherable way to relate to the next great civilization down the line the cyclic nature of earth changes. The clues are scattered all about the globe though. Those who splice these clues together inherit the brave new world to come...

P.S. Some say the Mayan calendar actually ends on October 28, 2011.

edit: Thanks for the thumbs up on the avatar.

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I think personally it will be like the Movie "Neverending Story"

"The Nothing is coming!"

wait i think you made a mistake
when did NASA ever say polar shift in 2012? because if thats true that is like a worst case scenario. people would have been panicking by now, i think that your information on that is wrong.

edit:my bad i thought you meant pole shift lol


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Well, I suppose these types of natural occurring events have been happening since the dawn of man.

Just because what you have listed has happened does not mean it could happen again.

Scientists like to speculate and the media likes a good doomsday theory to attract the masses.

Billions of people on this earth are not living with the doom and gloom scenarios,we in the "modern" world are dealing with.

They have no electricity,no access to MSM and can't read about all the earthquakes taking place and volcanoes that are erupting.

Their world exists in what they can only use their senses to observe.

I would like to say that as a man of Mesoamerican ancestry whose friends and colleagues still use the Long Count that the year 2012 holds nothing more unique than a festival to us. You are free to debate on your issues, but I must ask that you please do not use our calendar to further them. The year 2012 to us is no more special than 2001 to you; it is simply a new millennium and not the end of the world. The last long count was in 1618, and the next will be in 2012, the world did not end on 1618 just as there is no prediction for it to end on 2012 (or 2407 for that matter), IMHO.

Thank you and with deep respect,
~ Darcia

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