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SAN DIEGO – A Camp Pendleton Marine has removed his Facebook page after his comments fueled a free-speech debate about whether troops are allowed to criticize President Barack Obama's policies while serving in the military.
Sgt. Gary Stein said he was asked by his superiors to review the Pentagon's directive on political activities after he criticized Obama's health care reform efforts and then was asked this week to talk about his views on the MSNBC cable TV channel.
Stein said his supervisor told him of his right to an attorney about the matter. He said he decided to close his Fac
Stein said his supervisor told him of his right to an attorney about the matter. He said he decided to close his Facebook page and review his military code obligations. He also contacted private attorneys who told him he had done nothing wrong.
"There's this illusion that when we sign our contract and voluntarily commit, that we lose our right to speak out," Stein told the San Diego Union-Tribune in a story published Wednesday.
The local American Civil Liberties Union said in a statement Wednesday that it has sent a letter to Camp Pendleton's commanding officer urging the Marine Corps to protect Stein's right to freedom of speech.
Camp Pendleton spokeswoman Maj. Gabrielle Chapin said the Marine Corps is not considering filing charges and simply wanted him to be aware of the rules so he did not break them.
The Pentagon's directive states that military personnel are not allowed to write anything to solicit votes for a political cause, sponsor a political club or speak before any gathering that promotes a political movement.
"Marines take care of Marines," Chapin wrote in an e-mail. "Sergeant Stein's supervisor was concerned that his activities could give the appearance or impression that the Marine Corps is endorsing the group and its messages."
Stein, 24, a meteorologist for the base's 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said it was ire over Obama's health care reform efforts that pushed him to launch the Facebook page, "Armed Forces Tea Party Patriots," three weeks ago.
The tea party is a grass-roots political phenomenon that supports lower taxes and less government involvement. It formed in part as a reaction to public bailouts of the banking and automotive industries. The recently passed health care law is another popular target of the movement.
Stein, who lives in Temecula with his wife and their 2-year-old daughter, said he has not commented on military matters on any social-network site.
News of the military's response to his comments sparked an intense debate among Stein's more than 400 Facebook "fans" about whether troops have the right to speak out about the policies of their commander in chief.
Former Marine Corps attorney Patrick Callahan, who now specializes in military law as a civilian lawyer in Texas, said the Pentagon's directive is aimed at preventing military members from appearing as if they are trying to thwart the public process or plot a coup.
"There are restrictions on time, place and manner. For instance, service members can't go to political rallies in uniform," Callahan said.
But he added: "I have never seen the military go after a junior service member for making disparaging remarks about any politician."
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Information from: The San Diego Union-Tribune.
Originally posted by LadySkadi
I don't see how this is any different than any one of us getting busted by our employers for posting negative/derogatory remarks, or fueling the perception of negative influence towards business or place of employment. People are getting fired for this all the time. What's the difference if the military does it, too? More importantly, why is it a surprise?
Originally posted by LadySkadi
I don't see how this is any different than any one of us getting busted by our employers for posting negative/derogatory remarks, or fueling the perception of negative influence towards business or place of employment. People are getting fired for this all the time. What's the difference if the military does it, too? More importantly, why is it a surprise?
they cant kick you out of the military because of your opinion can they?
Originally posted by LadySkadi
Dude, I'm not going there with you.
Political/social activism at the expense of place of employment is potentially detrimental to said employment. Military, civilian or other... Seriously, this is not new.
Originally posted by ashanu90
hes obviously afraid of the gov't maybe some agents had a little "chit chat" maybe a little "you are too close to the truth" or "we will kill your loved ones if you dont stop"
Originally posted by Anti-Evil
in the military - only they can lock your butt
up and feed you bread and water for up to 3 days at a time. these
people dont play at all. it works or its jetisoned.
Originally posted by DaMod
The bottom line is, if a Marine is an American Citizen then he has the right to free speech. There is no other way to look at it. I think this should especially apply to servicemen because it is their job to protect those rights and freedoms (supposedly).
Free speech shall not be infringed, no matter your position.
Originally posted by Pyros
Originally posted by DaMod
The bottom line is, if a Marine is an American Citizen then he has the right to free speech. There is no other way to look at it. I think this should especially apply to servicemen because it is their job to protect those rights and freedoms (supposedly).
Free speech shall not be infringed, no matter your position.
Being in the military means making sacrifices, including your ability to engage in political activism. Why? Here's why:
The U.S. military cultivates and reinforces a culture of political neutrality (at least outwardly). This is to ensure that the public at large never has to fear the threat of a military coup, or the vast military throwing it's political support to one political party. Our founding fathers consistently warned against this, and dreaded the idea of a large standing army because of it. Fortunately, we have been able to successfully run our federal government without worrying about the military with a pretty good record of success for a long time.
Brash, vociferous political activism on the part of active duty military members, especially if they are in uniform, detracts from the military's desire to remain politically neutral, and nothing more than a tool of the US civilian leadership.
Once you get out....then you can join the the Tea Party, the ACLU, or whatever floats your boat. But while you are in, keep your mouth shut and follow your orders.
Originally posted by ashanu90
Originally posted by Anti-Evil
in the military - only they can lock your butt
up and feed you bread and water for up to 3 days at a time. these
people dont play at all. it works or its jetisoned.
they can do that??? just for your opinion??
Originally posted by ashanu90
reply to post by Anti-Evil
but i think this was only over healthcare not the military itself so why remove the facebook?