The Schauberger Free Energy Thread

reply to post by Magzoid


your link?

Before I attempt to get involved with the 'science' of this thread I am committing to read or at least get started on the Callum Coates books first.

I do hope the thread keeps moving. I can see there are quite a few Schauberger aware peeps on ATS with rather more experience and knowledge than me.

I look forward to being able to make a contribution at your level.

Most of Victor Schaubergers machines are very complex. Not mechanicaly, but in what goes on inside. Allways he sees water as of containing different energy levels.
Now that sounds very esotheric, but you can see differences in the structure of water beneath an electron microscope.
His engines allways work in combination of gas and water. wrenched out destilled water will be no good. for his stuff to work you need carbon acid disolved in the water H2CO3...
That gone no fun. A lot of his engines have to be flooded with CO2 bevore startup as well.

In order to prove that there is some credibility to the phenomena of the Schauberger theories here is some information that uses similar principles to the repulsine device.

These devices are real and in production today in the guise of Mechanical heaters.

There are two classes of machines that transform a small amount of mechanical energy into a large amount of heat. The best of these purely mechanical designs are the rotating cylinder systems designed by Frenette
(USA) and Perkins (USA).

Skip to 2 minutes ish into this Documentary from 1995 BBC's Horizon "It runs on water" see a working example in production

Google Video Link

In these machines, one cylinder is rotated within another cylinder with about an eighth of an inch of clearance between them. The space between the cylinders is filled with a liquid such as water or oil, and it is this "working fluid" that heats up as the inner cylinder spins. Another method uses magnets mounted on a wheel to produce large eddy currents in a plate of aluminum, causing the aluminum to heat up rapidly. These magnetic heaters have been demonstrated by Muller (Canada), Adams (NZ) and Reed (USA). All of these systems can produce ten times more heat than standard methods using the same energy input.

these devices use one contact of friction to produce effects that science casnnot explain but the Repulsine uses many friction points to compound the effect and produce overunity effects by performing a heat exchange with the environment.

One thing that I have noticed in the documentation that the OP posted was that the Repulsine device needs cold water and a "Hot dry air" in order to produce the correct heat exchange for effective use.

Now ATS'ers, think. Where are most traditional sightings of flying disks? and what do the so-called "secret bases", reportedly implicated in building "levitating disks", have in common?

They are all out in the desert where "hot dry air" is practically guranteed.
Now this, coupled with the fact that Schauberger was an operative from project paperclip who went to Dallas to give his technology to TPTB is interesting.

It also lends clues to the notion that if Hitler buit these devices and if he also went to Antarctica to fly them then the fact that the average humidity of just 0.03% combined with the extreme cold make the South Pole region the world's driest desert. - not perfect for heat exchange (the water is far warmer than the air) but there could have been some reverse heat exchange to produce effects of the same - or Hitler screwed up thinking that they just needed low humidity (this is just my theory - but the heat exchangers you can buy in TX today are very real) -

We, as the prolatariat, just have a long way to go to and a lot of serious money realise it's potential ....

I need some help testing one of Schauberger's observations.

Does anybody live close to, or know someone who lives close to, a natural mountain spring? I mean a 'real' spring, not some pumped, piped, filtered, bottled, transported source of water - an actual emerging natural spring.

Here is the assertion:

Water flowing from a natural source, particularly a mountain
spring, acts in quite a different way. Schauberger found that if
one drank a litre of this water - thus presumably increasing
one's weight by approximately a kilo - the net increase in
weight was in fact only 300-400g. The remaining water must
have been converted directly as energy to the body, thereby
explaining the enormously enlivening quality that this water
gives.

Can someone please test this and let us know what you find? If it is found to be an accurate observation, can anyone offer alternative 'scientific' or mainstream explanations?

reply to post by RogerT


a bit off topic but:

Something that may pique your interest on the Overunity free energy front to solve your problems..

www.steorn.com...

They have made an OU device and are licensing the technology out to anyone who shows interest.. there is a developement community getting into this and Free energy is closer than you think

on the spring water front, good idea but not many mountain springs round my area. Bath in the UK is maybe a good example, you can taste the water there in the atrium.

Re Steorn:

The site looks like it's been designed by an internet marketing team (one of my fields), not by a team dedicated to providing the solution to global energy needs, ending poverty and hunger on a planetary basis, and propelling us into a utopian future

I see there are membership fees and license fees.

The home page is littered with ownership declarations like this:

The SKDB is the sole medium for the dissemination of Orbo technology and its future enhancements.

and

The Steorn Knowledge Developement Base is the only place to develop and build Orbo technology applications.

That's really disappointing, and IMO is a sign that this will never succeed in it's goals, unless there is an attitudinal shift at core level.

I found this particularly dismaying:

Commercialisation NOT permitted.
Annual License and Membership fee €419.00 inclusive of VAT (where applicable).

I've nothing against money flowing back to developers and FE pioneers, but it has to be secondary, not primary - the website doesn't convey that message (at least not to me at first glance).

If anyone has any success with these guys, please let me know, but for now, I'll go the way my gut takes me, which is down the path of passion, not commercialism.

I know, that makes me closed minded, but in this field I've decided I have to be quite selective, otherwise I end up drowning in information that ultimately leads nowhere.

edit to add:

this doesn't look too good for Steorn:

In August 2006 the Irish company Steorn published an advertisement in the Economist announcing the development of “a technology that produces free, clean and constant energy”. Qualified experts were sought to form a “jury” to validate these claims.

Twenty-two independent scientists and engineers were selected by Steorn to form this jury. It has for the past two years examined evidence presented by the company. The unanimous verdict of the Jury is that Steorn's attempts to demonstrate the claim have not shown the production of energy. The jury is therefore ceasing work.

The jury consists of scientists and engineers in relevant fields from Europe and North America, from industry, universities and government laboratories. Information about individual members can be found at stjury.ning.com...


R.I.MacDonald
Chairman, Steorn Jury

[edit on 13/4/10 by RogerT]

Originally posted by daniel_g

There is no such 'cooling' effect on an implosion, when applicable(because I'm not sure every implosion requires heat transfer in the way we are all thinking), energy is still transferred by means of heat from a high temperature region (everywhere around the imploding area) to a colder one (the center of the implosion?)

I just read this in the first of my Callum Coates books:

Vacuums are formed, creating a negative pressure,
which affect the breathing of the water through
suction, and this generates a cool air stream. This is the
'falling temperature phenomenon', which physics has not
considered to be mechanically produced. It is, however,
produced in the suction turbine, which rediscovers an
ancient principle.

Does this conflict with what you stated in the quote I took from your post, or am I out of context?

edit to fix quotes

[edit on 13/4/10 by RogerT]

just a little bump for the US market

Does anyone live anywhere near a natural mountain spring that can test the earlier posted assertion?

reply to post by RogerT


Sorry to leave you hanging for a while, I gotta confess that if physics 3 was thermodynamics alone I would have failed, so it's not really a subject I'm very strong at.

After cooking my brain for some minutes to try and understand that quote, I think it's not out of context at all. He's talking about forming a vacuum and producing a cold air stream out of it. The one thing I can think of is the ideal gas law:

PV = nRT

but for simplificaton we ca use PV = T.

From that formula we see that by decreasing the pressure (by creating a vacuum) the temperature decreases. Same is true if we decrease the volume but leave P a constant, or if we decrease the two at the same time.

If we managed to make P a constant during an implosion, Volume, and consequently Temperature drop. However, reducing those values comes at a price, that is increasing pressure or volume, or both somewhere else. Ideally the temperature drop in one place is equal to the temperature raise in the other place. However the mechanical process involved in creating the vacuum usually produces aditional heat.

So if that's what he calls cooling effect, then he is right, but everyone else should keep in mind that temperature did raise someplace else.

PS. I'm trying to reduce body mass, if anyone finds that spring water really has that property OP s talking about please let us know.

[edit on 15-4-2010 by daniel_g]

Hey I saw this and thought of this thread.

This guy is onto something special.
Energy from the vacuum (cleaner)

U.S. inventor, Dr. Thie, gets more than he had hoped for when he figures out a way to harness the vortex formed in his vacuum cleaner, combing the principles of quantum physics, Schauberger's vortices, and Tesla's radiant energy.


An inventor in Tennessee, Deor O. Thie, has discovered something absolutely phenomenal. Spending a lot of time studying quantum physics, he has been especially intrigued with the vast amount of energy alleged to be found all around us, sometimes called the "quantum vacuum".

Earlier last month, while doing some "honey-do" chores around the home, Thie said a flash of inspiration came to him. What if he plugged his vacuum cleaner into itself? "Nah, that's silly", was his first reaction. But then he remembered what his friends said to him so many years ago at a bar when he said he was going to date the beautiful blond across the room, who is now his wife. "Nah, that's silly."

Thie also got to thinking about the vortex that some of these new vacuum cleaners have built into them. "You know those mini tornadoes that get going inside of these modern vacuum cleaners? Science still doesn't fully understand how so much energy can come from tornadoes. And there right inside of our vacuum cleaners is a tornado." That was when he started grinning. "What if one of Victor Schauberger's vortexes is being created in my vacuum cleaner, making free energy? And all this time we've just been oblivious to it, not even using it!"

Thie now had his work cut out for him. All he needed to do was somehow capture that vortex energy, and viola, he would have a self-running vacuum cleaner that draws energy from the vacuum! Little did he know what lay in store. He pulled out his trusty duct tape, twisted some wires around into some toroid coils like he'd seen some Tesla replicators doing, with a Marco Rodin twist, and put some small magnet fragments in the tornado chamber. The idea was that as the little magnets spun around in the tornado, the coils would pick up the flux from their movement, generating electricity. Certainly that would work. The question is if it would be more energy than what was required to run the vacuum cleaner, due to harvesting the quantum vacuum via the Schauberger vortex.

His next task was to come up with a circuit to convert the electromagnetic forces coming from the coils into something that wouldn't fry the motor on his vacuum cleaner. After a little poking around the Internet, as well as sourcing a few things from his neighbor's shed, he found just what he needed, though he didn't want to tell me this part of his system. "It's the simplest part, and if I tell you that, you'll know just how to do what I've done." Thie might open source it, but he's got to think about it for a while. Anyway, he said that after he got the vacuum cleaner up to speed by having it plugged into the wall, he flipped a switch on the cord so that the electricity would then be drawn from his circuit that pulls the energy from the magnet chips spinning around in the vacuum tornado. "It's the damndest thing," he said. "Not only did the vacuum cleaner keep running, but it started to go faster and faster; and the vacuum cleaner actually started to lift off the floor. The damn thing was doing some kind of anti-gravity gig." "I had a hard time holding on to it." At that point, Thie said he flipped the switch back. But he wasn't prepared for what happened next.

Source

This is an amazing story. If you beleive the principles of Schauberger's vortices (which my analytical mind is not ruling out) then this story is legitimate.

and easy to build!

Also some interesting open source projects for Schauberger's technology.

peswiki Schauberger





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reply to post by Magzoid


Hey, your 19 days late for posting that story

Originally posted by RogerT
reply to post by Magzoid

 

Hey, your 19 days late for posting that story

lol - I get the RSS feed but it only updates once every 2 weeks

I use this link now to get the latest on Free Energy news.

reply to post by Magzoid


No, I meant that it is an April Fools prank story.

Best
RT

Hi Roger,

I've taken an interest in your threads and commend you on your search for free energy, and also how you are hands on in trying to replicate any machines/ideas.

I have posted an idea before but i don't think i was understood and taken seriously, so i'll try and explain again and it would be the easiest experiment to try. (I have COPD so doing any experimenting is out of the question for now)

OK the background to the idea is the free energy that we can see........Lightning !

Now i'm thinking about the Faraday Disc which in my mind explains how Lightning is made: A spinning magnet (The Earth) creating electricity in the outer (atmosphere) and being collected at the inner (Ground).

Now i feel it is the shorting to ground of this electricity caused by the moisture in the thunderstorms that we see as Lightning, And further lightning is also seen in ash clouds from volcanoes, Showing that electricity is certainly in the air around us although it is only when the mass shorting of millions of volts such as storms that we see it as Lightning.

I would like to see someone experiment by running a line of Mesh (Chicken wire) above and off the ground, which is insulated from ground and running through a meter to see if any voltage could be collected from any charged air particles that hit it. Though i wouldn't try this where there is a risk of a storm lol.

Or maybe try connecting the mesh to the live of a car battery and the negative to ground to see if the battery gets charged......As Bedini claims when taking energy from the void etc.

I hope this makes sense.

I also vaguely remember an article though i don't recall exactly where, where i think it was a farmer in the days of Tesla who ran his farm on power which came from a series of lines around his property.....I'm thinking this may have given rise to this notion i have.

Anyway ATB with your search.

Hi Ken and thanks for the contribution to the thread.

At this point, I am not really looking to begin experimenting - I don't believe that is my role in this game.

I am looking to bring help, support and exposure to an already existing model, if it does actually exist out there somewhere.

If the model is DIY'able, then I'll give it a shot myself to prove the model by my own experience, but I'm not kidding myself that I'm going to be the inventor - I don't think we have enough time left for that!

Since reading more on Schauberger, I do believe any sustainable future energy generation device MUST be built on the creative principals of nature, rather than our current systems which are built on destructive principals and so obviously bringing about the degradation of the planetary life support system and ulitmately our own destruction.

As Schauberger so liked to point out: we 'move wrong'!

Now I'm temporarily back on ATS after a long absence, I decided to bump this thread to see if there are any new insights floating around out there regarding Schauberger.
I intend 2011 be the year Free Energy comes to the masses

reply to post by ken10


I'm replying to my own post to add a link that shows i'm probably not quite as mad as some possibly thought

Electricity out of thin air

reply to post by ken10


Glad to see you're still around Ken and still following the thread