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Quotes from Radical Feminism

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posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 07:01 AM
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I often hear people say "What's the trouble with Feminism? It's just about equality for women, isn't it?" Well it was once upon a time. I think most people oppose Feminism because of the extreme, hateful views sprouted by Radical Feminists of the past and present. I meet a lot of people that are surprised by the millions of people that oppose the Feminist Movement. They think it is about being against Women's rights or not wanting women to have equal opportunity. That is a smokescreen. The reasons millions of people worldwide are against Radical Feminism might have to do with the following quotes. These quotes might seem isolated and insignificant in isolation, but they form the backbone for the rampart Misandry in the Western media today.

Edit: Changed title and opening post for clarity.

The following quotes are taken from an article made by a poster on the website antimisandry.com. Applause goes to her for locating and documenting the following quotes.
The Truth About Feminism


"Feminism is built on believing women's accounts of sexual use and abuse by men." -- Catharine MacKinnon

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." Catherine MacKinnon

"All men are rapists and that's all they are" -- Marilyn French Author, "The Women's Room" (quoted again in People Magazine) "All men are rapists and that's all they are ..." --Feminist Marilyn French, People Magazine (Percent of reported rape or near-rape incidents = .07% [The FBI's Uniform Crime Report lists for the year 1996])

"[Rape] is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which ALL MEN KEEP ALL WOMEN IN A STATE OF FEAR" [emphasis added] -- Susan Brownmiller (Against Our Will p. 6)

"Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice. Rape, originally defined as abduction, became marriage by capture. Marriage meant the taking was to extend in time, to be not only use of but possession of, or ownership." -- Andrea Dworkin.

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies." -- Andrea Dworkin

"Romance is rape embellished with meaningful looks." Andrea Dworkin in the Philadelphia Inquirer, May 21, 1995..

"Under patriarchy, no woman is safe to live her life, or to love, or to mother children. Under patriarchy, every woman is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's daughter is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman," Andrea Dworkin, Liberty, p.58..

"One can know everything and still be unable to accept the fact that sex and murder are fused in the male consciousness, so that the one without the imminent possibly of the other is unthinkable and impossible." Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone, p. 21..

"In every century, there are a handful of writers who help the human race to evolve. Andrea is one of them."--Gloria Steinem

"And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual [male], it may be mainly a quantitative difference." -- Susan Griffin "Rape: The All-American Crime"
(p. 86)

"When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression..." -- Sheila Jeffrys

"I claim that rape exists any time sexual intercourse occurs when it has not been initiated by the woman, out of her own genuine affection and desire." -- Robin Morgan, "Theory and Practice: Pornography and Rape" in "Going to Far," 1974.

"Who cares how men feel or what they do or whether they suffer? They have had over 2000 years to dominate and made a complete hash of it. Now it is our turn. My only comment to men is, if you don't like it, bad luck - and if you get in my way I'll run you down." -- Letter to the Editor: "Women's Turn to Dominate" -- Signed: Liberated Women, Boronia -- Herald-Sun, Melbourne, Australia - 9 February 1996

Toward a Feminist Theory of the State. Catharine A. MacKinnon, 1989, First Harvard University Press (paperback in 1991) [a legal treatise comparing and contrasting feminism with COMMUNISM AND SOCIALISM]

"It is not only men convicted of rape who believe that the only thing they did that was different from what men do all the time is get caught."

"If sexuality is central to women's definition and forced sex is central to sexuality, rape is indigenous, not exceptional, to women's social condition."

"Under law, rape is a sex crime that is not regarded as a crime when it looks like sex. The law, speaking generally, defines rape as intercourse with force or coercion and without consent., Like sexuality under male supremacy, this definition assumes the sadomasochistic definition of sex: intercourse with force or coercion can be or become consensual."

"Compare victims' reports of rape with women's reports of sex. They look a lot alike....[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it." Catherine MacKinnon, quoted in Christina Hoff Sommers, "Hard-Line Feminists Guilty of Ms.-Representation," Wall Street Journal, November 7, 1991.

"The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist" -- Ti-Grace Atkinson "Amazon Odyssey" (p. 86)

"In a patriarchal society all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent." Catherine MacKinnon in Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women's Studies, p. 129..

"[Acquaintance rape] is more common than left-handedness, alcoholism and heart attacks." Naomi Wolf, The Beauty Myth (in the feminist attempt to build a case that "one in four" women have been raped in America.)

"[R]ape represents an extreme behavior, but one that is on a continuum with normal male behavior within the culture." Prof. Mary Koss of Kent State University (1982)

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience." Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life in Time, June 3, 1991, p. 52..

As cited in Andrea Dworkin's "Right-Wing Women" "...I submit that any sexual intercourse between a free man and a human being he owns or controls is rape." -- Alice Walker in "Embracing the Dark and the Light," Essence, July 1982. (Feminists believe that marriage = ownership).

"Compare victims' reports of rape with women's reports of sex. They look a lot alike....[T]he major distinction between intercourse (normal) and rape (abnormal) is that the normal happens so often that one cannot get anyone to see anything wrong with it." Catherine MacKinnon, quoted in Christina Hoff Sommers, "Hard-Line Feminists Guilty of Ms.-Representation," Wall Street Journal, November 7, 1991.

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." -- Robin Morgan, (editor of MS magazine)

A young woman at the University of Pennsylvania who wore a short skirt complained of a "mini-rape" because a young man walked past her and said, "Nice legs." (Camille Paglia and Christine Hoff Sommers, "Has Feminism Gone Too Far?" Think Tank with Ben Wattenberg, Produced by New River Media, Washington, DC, November 4, 1994.)

"Female heterosexuality is not a biological drive or an individual women's erotic attraction or attachment to another human animal which happens to be male. Female heterosexuality is a set of social institutions and practices... Those definitions... are about the oppression and exploitation of women [by men]." Marilyn Frye, Willful Virgin: Essays in Feminism, 1976-1992 ( Freedom: Crossing Press,1992) p.132.

[Author comment] And finally, a very disturbing account of the lengths feminists are allowed to go to in our educational institutions in order to vilify and demonize young men.

At the University of Maryland, some female students posted the names of male students selected at random, young men about whom they knew nothing, under the heading "Potential Rapists." The message was that all men are potential rapists, though the men actually named probably did not find much comfort in that... (John Leo, "De-escalating the gender war" U.S. News and World Report, April 18,1994, p.24.)


[edit on 3/4/2010 by Dark Ghost]




posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 07:29 AM
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Thats it? A bunch of extremist feminist quotes, with absolutely no other content of your own to expound on the subject? You claimed these extremists were influential in our media. What does that mean? Examples of their influence, who it influenced, how it has directly influenced (I dont even know who you say it is influencing!).

I am certain I will have comments on the subject as a strong female myself, so I will check back when there is an actual OP to debate and flesh out.

Other wise, this just looks like another attempt to draw people into another tired female bash fest.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 07:33 AM
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Radicalism in any variety is dangerous. In this case it has produced poisoned minds with ridiculous contentions such as 'all consensual sex is rape' and 'man-hating is okay'. Radicalism will work against legitimate concerns and goals of a rational feminist movement.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 07:52 AM
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Radical Feminism is just like any other radical religious movement, nothing is eventually accomplished and they only seem look at harming a societies state of well being. I don't believe this is what feminism is about and all this thread does is stir the pot..



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 07:55 AM
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Any of these groups which have the "Radical" in the front are bad.

Feminism is bad.

Maleism (Lack Of Better Word) is bad.

People are people.

Women had a point back when they didn't have the right to vote, or have fair wages or were still being sexually assaulted at work with no avenue of complaint or justice.

It's not that way anymore. I would say that women have more power than men in today's society. At least on the surface.

I can't stand anybody, male or female who places their gender as some sort of label, in an attempt to demonize it's polar opposite, or to justify ridiculous actions.

~Keeper



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 09:35 AM
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At least the one thing we can be thankful of is that with all their hate of men and sex, they won't be able to reproduce and the gene pool will clear up a bit without them around.

Always look on the bright side!



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 11:46 AM
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These ladies need to get laid.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 12:30 PM
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If these ladies had any influence at all on the world there wouldnt be so much softporn on our supermrket shelves or on mtv of even on nickeloden ( yes thats right nickeloden)



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 12:43 PM
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reply to post by Dark Ghost
 


Well, I didn't know I was a rapist untill today.
Extremists love to to hate and generalise. Those crazy chicks are no exception.



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 12:58 PM
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In most cultures, marriage sex and rape have been confabulated.

If you are married, and your mate decides to have sex with you but you don't want to.... that's not considered legal rape. It has been considered rape in some Western countries for about 20 years.

In some countires, they've actually made it a law that raping your wife is okay.

In cultural paradigms where "romance" is seen as a man not taking no for an answer - then rape is romance.

Does this mean that all sex is rape? No. But if you live in a county or religions that say that a woman has no rights to her vagina - then yes, all sex is rape. There is an inherent use of the force of the state and of family to impel compliance. No is not acceptable. No will not be heard. No will be considered a repudiation of the order of the world, and will be treated like a crime.

Does this mean that it has to be that way? No.

But it is that way all over the world. It has been that way.

When you decide that women suck for wanting equality - remember, that it is men who saw the sense in it. You have the power to decide which man you are. The one who voted for the law that made marital rape illegal - or the man who got on TV and told me that being married meant my husband owned the rights to my vagina.

Which man do you want to be. Because these women are pointing out something nasty - but not essentially untrue. The laws of the land, the ones that made it so that an estranged husband could literally kidnap his wife and rape her and IT WAS NOT A CRIME was in my lifetime. And I'm not old. I'm in my mid thirties. If that happened, it was not a crime.

[edit on 2010/4/3 by Aeons]



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Thats it? A bunch of extremist feminist quotes, with absolutely no other content of your own to expound on the subject? You claimed these extremists were influential in our media. What does that mean? Examples of their influence, who it influenced, how it has directly influenced (I dont even know who you say it is influencing!).

I am certain I will have comments on the subject as a strong female myself, so I will check back when there is an actual OP to debate and flesh out.

Other wise, this just looks like another attempt to draw people into another tired female bash fest.


Nobody is trying to bash anyone and I have alot of respect for women. Have you ever noticed certain comedies or other shows (maybe not even comedies) that portray men as 1. uncaring brute dominant male who just takes what he wants and is an ***hole? (dont flame me but I do think women are attracted to this type and convince themselves they can change these types of people.) 2. immature dumbass who is irresponsible and nearly retarded and the women have to shepherd them through their lives (im sure people like this exist as well).

I do think there is a societal effort to "tune down" men. I personally dont care because I prefer to have less responsibility but I just dont like it when it actually excludes me from getting ahead (i.e. college opportunities etc.)

some things feminists say scare the hell out of me. like how heterosexual intercourse is akin to violence..... how?! and what do you prefer? sounds like this could get kinky


or this gem


"One can know everything and still be unable to accept the fact that sex and murder are fused in the male consciousness, so that the one without the imminent possibly of the other is unthinkable and impossible."

Ok so If I want sex....then I want to kill her when Im done?! yeah.....OOOO...KKKK.......


While I admit sex is sometimes on the brain, murder typically is not......



posted on Apr, 3 2010 @ 11:21 PM
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I have been following feminism a bit the past couple of years, just out of general curiosity. Especially after reading some of the quote like you've mentioned here, being defaulted as a "rapist" is most unpleasant and certainly when it's widespread in college campuses and openly accepted and practically preached at their little get togethers they have.

We live in a society where a wife can go out and cheat on her husband and when they divorce she'll still get half of his assets and the kids. All I ever hear about with feminists is "empowerment" this "power that" "strong independent woman" ect... It seems to me that for these women the world is one big power struggle and perhaps that is their problem.

I mean you can sit back and look into their behavior from an outsider's perspective and see that most of what they do is largely irrational and they're hurting themselves in the end because nobody can take this crap seriously.

I find it ironic how they're 'fighting' for women's rights by simply preaching hate / discontent of men. Seems like everything they try to address they just end up demonizing males. A lot of the time I will see blatant examples of them not even seeming to understand the meaning of personal responsibility, it's much easier to simply blame a man for everything. Yet the way they dress, the way they butch their hair, they're so busy hating themselves and projecting it out towards men that they are becoming what they seemingly hate. They want to make themselves unfeminine and thus unattractive to men as some kind of protest as to what they perceive as society's fouls against them when in reality it's mostly been the evolution of society and the perversion of such through religion, but that's another argument.

In the end, feminism isn't needed any longer, all one needs to know in life is the art of personal responsibility and they will be ok. If you need an 'ism' to tell you how to think and live, it's very weak minded of you.

I'm not trying to bash women here, just feminism, any true strong independent woman doesn't need feminism, if you've been wronged by someone in a relationship, it's your responsibility to take care of yourself, not be super passive and let things just "happen" to you, I think that's the biggest problem with feminism, they preach "blame men" as though they didn't know they could make their own decisions.

Everything about them down to the way they get their rape figures is disinfo and irrational at best. They'll pass out anonymous surveys asking things like "have you ever had an unwanted sexual encounter" which could be anything from a drunken college girl sleeping around to an old boyfriend they simply hate / regret and consider it sexual assault in their reports. I understand that there are animals out there that would rape women but they are a tiny minority, rape is a disgusting horrible crime and 99.9% of men will tell you the same.

One more thing, I always hear the old argument of "if women ruled the world there'd be no wars". Yeah I guess we'd have a little Utopia on our hands wouldn't we? Let's see what modern warfare is about these days, it's no longer about religion or territory, it's all about resources and money. And who do we know that loves money and material things (diamonds for instance) more than men? That's right, women.

I suppose I'll close off with this, people are just people, learn it, live it and make your own decisions on what to think, don't fall for some book pushing seminar group thinking ism and you'll be a lot better off.



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 06:20 AM
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As a community site that values truth and integrity, I was wondering why you posted comments that, in some cases, are completely inaccurate: the authors cited never made the statements alleged.

In other cases, the quotes are from works of fiction, but are presented as if from an interview, speech, or non-fiction essay.

I believe those and many other misrepresentations within that list of quotes does a lot to discredit anyone who replicates it on their site, unless they note the problems with that list.

Radical feminism includes written works of extraordinary sensitivity to men, to humanity, to the well-being of everyone. It would be just as easy to compile a list of compassionate comments about men with the same authors listed above. Andrea Dworkin, for example, cared deeply about men's humanity, and always loved men. So too did most of the women cited in that list. As for what Catharine A. MacKinnon wrote and didn't write, please see Snopes.com's entry titled "Rape Seeded" about the Internet lie that she and Dworkin ever said or wrote that "All heterosexual sex is rape" or anything of the kind. (They didn't.) Here is that link:
www.snopes.com...

And far too many central radical feminists, like Alice Walker, Audre Lorde, bell hooks, and Patricia Hill Collins are left off completely.

That list has been, as they say, "making the rounds" and now it is here. But along its journey, it seems no one is motivated to do some fact-checking.

Those who make a practice out of promoting grossly distorted ideas about what feminists say and who routinely misquote and misrepresent statements feminists make, ought not be rewarded by having their lie-filled lists reposted in new venues without corrections and contexts presented alongside the misquotes.

Do you agree?

When feminists (and other people) critique various expressions of masculinity as abusive or inhumane, those people are called man-haters. But what do we those who post lists like this one? Woman-haters? No. Do you see a double standard there? Is that a double standard this community wishes to promulgate?

I look forward to your reply, and would appreciate it if you'd note from the start that some of those quotes are false. Thank you.



posted on Apr, 4 2010 @ 06:23 AM
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Typo correction.

This: But what do we those who post lists like this one?

Should read as follows: But what do we call those who post lists like this one?



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