Biden: We are going to control the insurance companines

I found this interesting. Joe has a habit of saying more than he should and I think he did it again. In this interview, Biden clearly states that the government is going to control the insurance companies.

TAPPER: When you talked to these members of Congress, you told me what you tell them. What do you hear back from them? Do you hear back from venerable members who are worried this bill will cost them their jobs?

BIDEN: Well, I yes. Some of them I say they say, well, Joe, look, man, I mean, you know, you guys haven't massaged this very well. And, you know, this thing has gone on so long, I don't know. And my response is, hey, man, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I'm telling you, you know, pre-existing, they're going to be covered. You know we're going to control the insurance companies. You know people aren't going to lose their health care with their employer like is being advertised. So you've got to if you really want to make sure that you get the benefit of what you've already done, vote for the bill. And I look, Jake, I really, truly believe that the worst place to be, as a legislator, is being in the position where your side is being pummeled for an idea and there's misrepresentations about all the bad things the idea is going to generate. And then the idea fails and then they go, see, I told you Jake was for it. And had I not stopped, Jake, there would have been death panels.

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I hope they place caps on everything.

Heck I would pay a buck for a twenty cent Tylenol any day compaired to to the $125.00 they charge. (This is absolute madness)

I am really sick of people fighting against improving health care.
The (R's) have acted so badly the (D's) are going ahead without them, which I don't mind. I think the USA population needs to be shown the package in a movie that they can understand, and allowed to vote on it.

I would rather see this done in small little chunks for a bunch of reasons.

Anyway...I like Biden...He is like...human.

reply to post by SLaPPiE


Government control is never a good thing. The biggest coup the Democrats have pulled off is getting (some) to believe the Republicans are against reform.

The Republicans are against giving total control of our lives to the Government when it comes to this bill (although i'm sure they would be just as happy to if this was their bill).

Anyone who believes the healthcare bill is really about healthcare probably believed the words 'Hope and Change' would solve the worlds problems.

If this thing passes, is signed into law and actually takes effect I believe our Republic will be lost forever.

NO ONE IN WASHINGTON CARES ABOUT YOU!!!!

reply to post by BlackJackal


They are not going to "control" anything, this just another propaganda way to keep the people hook to the sweet lies that all politirats like to give away for the enjoyment of their audience.

Mandatory health care is not control of anything but the pockets and life of the people by the government and insurance companies.

Insurances and government will be controlling all of us.

The US vice president for the big BofA should stick with what he have done great all his life as a politicrap, kissing up to the banking systems butt

reply to post by marg6043

Mandatory health care is not control of anything but the pockets and life of the people by the government and insurance companies.

Insurances and government will be controlling all of us.

That is absolutely correct, I don't know why people are not getting this, well 76% of Americans are realizing it, but I am worried about the rest.

Obamacare is a bailout for insurance companies.



Ted Rall: Obamacare just a bailout for insurance companies
www.sj-r.com...

Obama’s proposed solution to our health-care non-system, which is a national disgrace, will pour billions of dollars into the pockets of the very same people who caused the problem in the first place: insurance companies.


Under the Obama/Senate plan, the poor — individuals who currently earn under $14,500 — would be required to go on Medicaid. Unless they don’t qualify for whatever reason, in which case they would have to pay at least 2 percent of their income to private insurers or get dinged $750 a year.

The working poor, meanwhile, would get charged a percent of their income on a sliding scale. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, federal subsidies for poor workers would be too low. People who earn between $14,500 and $43,000 a year would pay between 4 and 12 percent of their annual income to private insurers. (That’s right: Someone who makes $43,000 would have to shell out $430 a month. If they live in a high-tax place like New York, that would leave them about $2,000 a month to live on after taxes.) And let’s not forget about deductibles.

As anyone who has ever dealt with private insurance knows, deductibles are the odious practice of official non-coverage — insurance doesn’t start paying (if they don’t deny your claim for some reason) until you’ve already spent a certain amount that year.

I don’t know why conservatives aren’t talking about deductibles. They are one of the biggest secrets of Obamacare — and one of the most damning. Like the subsidies, the “actuarial value of coverage” — the percentage of medical bills your policy would pay every year — would slide on a scale. The more you earn, the more you pay and the less you get.

Under the Senate bill, for example, a family of three earning less than $27,000 — we’re talking poor people here — would be fairly well covered. ObamaCare would cover 97 percent of their bills. But a family of three earning between $45,000 and $73,000 would only have 70 percent coverage. In other words, they’d have to pay a third of their medical bills out of pocket.

There would also be co-pays: $20 per doctor’s visit, $250 if you had to go to the hospital, and lab tests and X-rays would come completely out of your wallet.

I don't know why this guy took the opportunity to blame the conservatives, maybe he should find a solution.

Boy, I sure do hope that is true. Give 'em hell Joe!

I'm also thrilled that part of this legislation makes student loans/ grants come directly from the taxpayers to students. Why should banks get to skim obscene amounts of badly needed dollars earmarked to help people attain a higher education to pad their already filthily padded bottom lines?? Hasn't the financial industry gotten enough of our tax dollars already?? I'm sick of socialism for corporations, while the average citizen gets tossed to the wolves after getting fleeced. TARP anyone?

I'm still not sure what insurance companies do that helps in the delivery of health-care. Other than skimming off dollars to put towards their bottom line, what is their point? Insurance companies exist to make a profit, this is not in question. All other advanced, and many semi-advanced (i.e. Costa Rica) nations have figured out that to view health-care as a public service provides the best ratio of cost:quality.

Medicare clearly spends the money it collects towards health care, For profit 'insurance' corps. try to justify spending as little as possible on actual health-care, as they exist to make as big a profit as they can. This is not debatable, look at the meager percentage of our premiums insurance companies panels have decided to put towards actual health care vs. Medicare:

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RIGHT NOW, the USA spends twice as much/ person than any other country. What do we get for this huge sum of OUR money: The US is ranked 37th in health-care outcomes. USA #37!!! PATHETIC!

Meanwhile, the holy health insurance corporations are pulling in BILLIONS in pure profit. How does that benefit the average tax payer?? Seems like right now all we are getting is an unneeded colonoscopy.

Best,
Skunknuts

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reply to post by Stormdancer777


My dear it doesn't take a genius to realized that mandatory should not be anywhere near private business in a bill that can become law and is against the constitutional rights of the people.

This is the private insurance bail out after the direct give away to the Banking system

Wake up America.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reply to post by skunknuts


Skunk, did you even read my post?

Obama care is a deal made with the insurance companies, even this libertarian columnist knows that.

reply to post by skunknuts


I tell you what, if the Obama administration was so much into cutting the spending on health, why is he giving away people's right to the private insurance by mandate while still gouging the tax payer for Medicare and Medicaid.

After all it is Medicare and Medicaid the ones that absorb most of the health care budget.

People just do not stop and think about this things anymore. . .

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

My dear it doesn't take a genius to realized that mandatory should not be anywhere near private business in a bill that can become law and is against the constitutional rights of the people.

This is the private insurance bail out after the direct give away to the Banking system

Wake up America.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the majority of Americans are awake, but congress does what they want.

reply to post by marg6043

People just do not stop and think about this things anymore. . .

They think they are getting something free,

Listen I don't have health-care, never have, and I am sixty years old, I need reform, but this is not reform,

Heck the bill isn't even written yet,

They are passing something that isn't written?

Am I the crazy one?

reply to post by Stormdancer777


You know the bill have to be passed before the 15 of April, and this why.

But the Budget Act specifies that Congress must complete action on its budget resolution by April 15 of each year. Once the budget resolution conference report is adopted by both the House of Representatives and the Senate, its terms govern the remainder of the budget process for that year - meaning no further spending measures can be introduced, including healthcare reform.

moneymorning.com...

You know why is that? because the health care bill been proposed is nothing but another dent on the deficit in the nation regardless of what the Obama administration is telling.

No only private insurance companies will be reaping the pockets of the tax payer but also more taxes to supplement.

in the Next two years the taxes in the US will be all to support the health care reform and they will be increased no only by federal government by the states when the health care bill comes short to deliver on the already burdened states.

reply to post by Stormdancer777


He, he, as a wife of a former Marine we are on government health care, but is not free, we pay our dues every 3 months it comes out of my husbands retirement.

But is better than private health care and I can testify for that.

Your are right, the bill will be written as usual by the insurance companies and big pharma in their favor, while the politirats gets to pocket more money for their lavish political campaigns that actually are nothing but pony show.

As usual we the people are the losers, more taxes, still been gouged for Medicare and Medicaid and next is going to be the health care bill tax.

Yes is going to be a health care reform tax

Myself, think this whole thing has NOTHING to do with healthcare.

Premise.

The US is on the verge of insolvency. We have over 100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities. With each day the US federal gov is spending like we have a surplus (at least for rational folks). Now, what are the maneuvers and machinations over the last 30-40 years. Increases in government involvement in everything. I remember growing up and seeing all kinds of independent private people running businesses. Heck, I became one of them for about 9 years, until the costs outweighed the profit. Workers comp, liability, bonds, etc etc etc. Who was making the money? Insurance companies and the government.

Where has this led us? To now, where the government and their entrenched sycophant corporations that have taken over 40-60%% of the economy.

Now, we are giving them another 18% with this coming takeover.

People will say it is not a takeover. BULL#! Whether the gov itself or a party on their behalf takes over, it is still a damn takeover.

Biden, Obama, Pelosi, Reid or any of the other fascist/socialist/corporatist whores can be HEARD to say exactly this.

Only people that are blind would not see or hear their intentions.

I still hear from people that it is the corporations that have done this, THEY COULD NOT DO IT WITHOUT THE COMPLICIT ACTS OF THE GOV.

So, with the obvious involvement of the gov in these actions over the last 30-40 years, does anyone believe that more government involvement is going to rid us of the mega corps?

Absolutely not, the mega corps will THRIVE, but the small business competition will be destroyed. FACT!

What happened with the bailouts? Less Mega Corps? Hell no. Actually, the smaller firms were wiped out and the mega corps reaped FORTUNES! Largest profits ever!

And now we have Biden stating their exact intentions. Of course the gov is not going to run it, they will just manage it by mandate. DUHHH.

Does the gov build the weapons in the MIC? No, that is what their partners are for.


Welcome the the United Socialist/Fascist/Corporatist States of the Rockefellers and Morgans. Where you have the right to choose from choice A mega corp or choice B mega corp.

Common Sense.

reply to post by marg6043



HI Marge, ty for the information,

There has to be a conspiracy here somewhere, the dems, must know this is bad for the country as it is written,

I find less and less people on the forum even care to discuss this issue.

reply to post by endisnighe


Speaking of conspiracy,

A couple of quick things...

First, the insurance companies DO NOT need a bailout. They have been experiencing record profits for the past several years and it is increasing exponentially.

Next, of course the government will control health insurance companies, and hospitals, and doctors and the treatment that you are permitted to receive and YOU!!! This fascist administration has been nothing more than about controlling EVERYTHING.

The pharmaceutal companies have been lobbying like mad for this! More than a bailout for insurance companies, this is a HUGE boon for the drug companies. Because our system has nothing to do with prevention and cure, it is merely about treating symptoms through the use of drugs. The big pharma see now that there will be no such thing as people not being able to afford their prescriptions. HUGE profits for them. Also, they are going to be able to peddle their "Vaccines" for HUGE profit because the government is going to mandate that EVERYONE receive ALL of their vaccines under the guise of "preventative care"!

Finally, comb through the fine print of this bill - I have! This is nothing more than a GIGANTIC tax increase. More than a third of this bill deals with budgetary chicanery - taxes, fines, fees etc...

Oh, and just to add some logic and reason to the debate - for you supporters... Can ANYONE point to one single government controlled entity that has been successful??? EVERYTHING that government touches goes over budget and evetually becomes a debt liability. Social Security has ZERO dollars in the trust, just hundreds of billions in IOUs in a filing cabinet in Parkersburg, WV. Just this year, the SS Administration is going to run it's first deficit meaning that it needs to tap into those IOUs and get some of its money back. Guess what - There isn't any!!! Same with Medicare and medicaid. How about Amtrack - they've been insolvent for over 2 decades!

The same people that see this bill as a step forward for America are the same mouth-breathers that believed in "Hope and Change", A "more transparent administration", "No lobbyists" in the administration etc... It is all G*dd*amned LIES!

reply to post by skunknuts


So you don't like socialism for corporations(neither do I) but you would like socialism for individuals?

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."
-Benito Mussolini

reply to post by TheCoffinman


thanks for that one, you nailed to the spot, People are so blind that they do not understand that the blending of State and corporation started in the 80s and now is about to be finalized and made public.

It is sad when education fails to the people of a nation.