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Originally posted by plutoxgirl
+What do they do?
They preach lies like a virus.
They discriminate people based on whether they believe the same things they do.
+How to recognize them?
A false sense of superiority based on their "awoken" self.
These pepole, who think they had been enligthened and "awake" based ONLY on the words of Icke (Wilcock, or the rest of those charlatans) are as blind and aslept as the "sheep" they warmly refer to in their speaches.
They preach about evil turtles- emm, sorry, snakes?, manipulating the world- "Illuminatti, etc. etc. because their super guru said it. So it must be true.
Right?
Originally posted by indigothefish
because i originally thought this thread was talking about the buddhist line of enlightened buddhas, but apparently not hahaha
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
Money-grubbing charlatans, on the other hand, replicate much faster these days by stealing the mind of the host, not just the DNA-replication machinery-- much more pernicious I'd say, say indeed.
Originally posted by plutoxgirl
It's frustrating talking to anyone who's mind is completely shut only to their "absolute" truth (ex- some religious people).
When you are so damn certain about something it's when you are beginning to fail- and I'm not saying- one should live in uncertainty. People should have the capacity to DOUBT of any idea given as an undeniable fact or truth.
And I think everyone is free to believe whatever they please-
I'm not trying to convince anyone otherwise; I don't really mind what they choose to devote themselves to.... as long as they don't try to force it up on others..
What really upset me is the crazy extremism of some of them. The big irony of how they think they are so "awake and aware" - ' when it's the other way around.
Oh, "the indigo children" mentality -
And, EnlightenUP, I don't remember if I told you, but LOVE your avatar- one of my favs out there
Originally posted by Dredge
I honestly think the most 'enlightened' people will never be seen on TV or write a ton of books. Not to say that those who do sell books and run websites are all charlatans, but a lot are.
To me the most enlightened people can be identified by the true inner peace they have. It's just something they project into the world whether they know it or not.
Originally posted by EnlightenUp
With an honest passion for truth comes a tolerance for ambiguity, passion for mystery, a love of cognitive dissonance thus a willingness to forego definitive answers for an indefinite period.
Yes, they can believe whatever their innate capacities allow them to assimilate. It says nothing about whether or not it is correct.
Could it be that assigning any importance to being awake and aware is a step in the right direction, even if one is initially misled?
The likes of the charalatans are there to capitalize on and take advantage of the naivete of those just beginning to open their minds to reality beyond the humdrum workaday world. Sooner or later those that have been hoodwinked will learn the lessons by experience and be better for it, even if they ruined their own lives in the process. In the next one, the might not make the same mistakes. If they do, the rest of us are provided free entertainment by the karmically-bound jesters' juvenile antics.
It is quite a source of inspiration at times. .
Originally posted by emsed1
Enlightened ones are simply aware of their place in the universe.
I believe the truly enlightened don't preach or impress their beliefs on others. They live in service so that the fruit of their actions speaks for itself.
There is no lecture, book, movie, song, philosophy, religion or person that can "enlighten" someone.
Enlightenment is a personal experience that results from complete and utter destruction of the ego. By very definition an "enlightened one" could not seek to influence others because it would go against everything he or she knows and feels.
Each of us is on a journey and there are many paths. For most humans the journey never ends while we are here on Earth, no matter how many books we read, seminars or churches we attend.
The only absolute truth in this universe is personal experience. No matter what dogma, statistics, laws or "facts" someone can cite. Personal experience trumps science, religion and law.
An example (unlikely but just an example). We call gravity a "law". In other words it is an undisputable scientific fact.
We believe this law because all we are told and experience supports it. But, if you happen to float one day without the influence of gravity then all the scientific facts you have ever learned would be turned upside down. Gravity is no longer the law, but your personal experience is.
Granted -- that will never happen.
So, I guess my point is that you should take what others preach with a grain of salt and experience life yourself.