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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by lpowell0627
They won't be getting subsidized healthcare...they will be getting subsidies to PURCHASE health insurance. There is a big difference. So now each time they go to the doctor...either once or a million times...they will most likely have a co-pay and then the insurance will cover the rest. I don't see how an increased in health care use (more revenue for doctors/hospitals) would cause health care costs to rise. Healthcare isn't a limited supply commodity...so an increase demand won't neccesarily increase costs.
Simply not true. And again...they won't have "subsidized healthcare"...they will have health insurance just like everyone else...they will just get assistance in purchasing this health insurance.
Originally posted by dorkidori_s13
1) you obviously have no friends/family in canada or the UK where socialist medicine is practiced...the conditions of those healthcare systems are even worse than our own
[edit on 15-3-2010 by dorkidori_s13]
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Originally posted by AceWombat04
I have a question that I doubt I'm the only one pondering.
If someone is low income and has a community or state provided form of health coverage at low (or no) cost to them, does that count as having insurance? Or will these people suddenly find themselves paying a tax equal to the cost of something they couldn't afford to begin with just for not having it?
One thing you will not be able to sweep under the rug, is the governments seemingly inexhaustible inability to oversee any program
You can not ignore the fact we are talking one sixth of the nations budget here. This is of historical proportions. It is being done against the wishes of the majority of the citizens.
Once again today the US was warned it is about to loose its credit rating and if this passes probably will. This is not partisan nonsense, it is a fact.
Those pushing this keep lying and saying the opposition is against health care reform. That is a bald faced lie. We want to approach it in a methodical manner, testing ideas along the way.
Fraud in Medicare and Medicaid could be dealt with right now and yet the Administration pretends it can not unless this bill passes as is. That is a bald faced lie.
Open competition between insurers could be done right now at no cost and would instantly lower health care insurance costs. Why was that not done months ago if the crafters of this monstrosity were being honest? The only possible reason is those who wrote this bill and the party that has complete control is in the hip pocket of the insurance companies no matter what lie they tell.
Senators were bribed, yes bribed as there is no other name for it, and some people will receive special treatment so they could get enough votes in the Senate. Unions are being bribed to the tune of many billions and those not in unions will pay more for care. At what point does simple honesty, ethics and decency enter into this!
The people who will be dealing with the Reconciliation package do not have the power to keep the promises they are making to the House, which means it is all another lie. Does that matter? At all
If it takes years to pass a bill that spends one dollar in six in this country, it would be smart, not dumb. Dumb is rushing into a huge monstrosity
Health insurance is a perfectly serviceable product in the free market
but when attempting to create a social program that endeavors to expand medical coverage to more people, insurance schemes should not be the only topic of discussion...and yet, that is all that has been discussed in regards to this current legislative efforts on health care reform. It has been, from the get go, nothing more than a Ponzi scheme.
The second issue, inextricably tied to the whole insurance scheme issue, is the Constitutionality of legislation that would, in effect, force people to buy health insurance whether they wanted to, needed to, or not, or at the very least, pay the cost of that insurance with or without its usage. Can The United States Congress force people to buy a private product as a matter of law? This is, as has been stated earlier in this thread, the primary question that needs to be asked. Does Congress have the legal authority to mandate health insurance policies to the public?
If Congress has Constitutional authority to mandate private insurance policies to the public, then proving this authority should be no problem and as easy as pointing to the precise Clause of the Constitution in which that authority was granted. If that authority can't be shown then it is to be construed that Congress does not have that authority and it is an issue left to the states or the people respectively.
The whole issue of the federal government withholding funds from states in order to force them to comply with federal legislation still ignores the authority of the people.
This legislation, if passed, can and should be challenged by as many people opposing it as possible. This means simply ignoring the mandate and openly challenging the jurisdiction on the matter.