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reply posted on 14-2-2010 @ 06:22 PM by nvprose1
reply to post by hotbakedtater



also, like i said in my post, are we child molesters cause we bathe our children? in which they are YES naked, and YES they are touched, i think if any sh1tbag lawyer called for some cases someone would be considered a child molester in some court somewhere, even though they are in fact just giving their child a bath...

the children would be strpped from the parents custody, by a sherrif and CPS, and given to the STATE, and the parents w2ouldn't be able to get them back.... and probably be jailed, fined, ect,... etc,...


reply posted on 14-2-2010 @ 06:28 PM by OnceReturned
I have a couple of related opinions.

For one thing, I think the age of majority being 18 is completely arbitrary. There is a difference between kids, and young adults who have undergone puberty, but once those changes start anywhere you draw the line is arbitrary. It's not sick to be attracted to a 17 year old any more than it is an 18 year old. In fact it's often unavoidable, but obviously you can't act on it because it's against the law. So my point is that 18 years is an arbitrary place to draw the line, and certainly does not have any strong moral justification.

What does have strong moral justification is protecting pre-pubescent kids. Ultimately though, what's fake is fake. You can't arrest people who kill "people" in video games, because it's a fake instance of a real crime. The real crime is real child porn, not fake child porn. Anything should be allowed in artificial mediums, because it's not real.

I guess there are two parts of that discussion. One is that in the producing of real child porn, a real child is harmed. So in that sense, the fake child porn avoids harm. The other part of this discussion is the idea that whenever children(real or fake) are portrayed as sexual objects, that is bad. This aspect seems to apply to both real and fake child porn. This same argument can be applied to anything that creates a "bad" mental state, from sexual attraction to child, to violence against people. I would argue that society has made a distinction between real and fake things that provoke undesirable mental states. Violence against anyone is bad, but it is okay to put it in media("okay" in the sense that society deems is morally permissible, as evidenced by so many movies, video games, books, and tv shows). Since society has distiguished between fake and real things that evoke negative mindsets(violence, for example), we should continue to do so when it comes to child porn. Therefore fake child porn should be permissible.

It is very imporant in this discussion to remember that sexually objectifying a child in cartoons is bad because of the harm that it leads to and promotes, and that in and of itself(it's creation, existance, and viewing) no harm is done to a child directly. As long as we aggessively protect against the actual harm that may come from people viewing children as sexual objects(i.e. protecting against pedophiles) then there is some room to allow artificial child porn with no actual harm being done.


If we decide that artificial child porn(cartoons) is not morally permissible, we are forced to due so with the awareness of the glaring contradiction that would come to exist due to the fact that artificial violence(and everything else) is not only permissible, but is very aggressively consumed in the form of movies, books, tv, and video games.



reply posted on 14-2-2010 @ 06:34 PM by afterschoolfun
Originally posted by silo13
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post by avatar01

*Yawn* Just another perfect example that if you don't stand for something you fall for anything.



That any of you can see anything right in child pornography astounds me.

Because that is what it is - artistic rendition, written word, or photo, it's still child porn.

Easy - If it's not child porn then what is it, and what is it used for?

It portrays sexual acts with children for the use of sexual gratification, child rape as the protagonist for the gratification...

What's that called? Child porn.

As to why this man can be jailed?

Because it's against the law.

peace




*yawn* Just a perfect example of how insane you are.



Replace child porn with any illegal thing that's constantly being written, artistically portrayed, on TV, Movies, etc. etc.: murder, rape, drug abuse, umm... speeding. really, anything on TV/ Movies.

By your clearly insane logic: "Because that is what it is - artistic rendition, written word, or photo, it's still ____something____" and if that something is illegal and it portrays that illegal thing, whoever is in possession of a depiction of that illegal thing should be jailed.

But I suppose you're too moral to rationalize, eh?

peace


reply posted on 14-2-2010 @ 06:38 PM by nvprose1
reply to post by OnceReturned



same thing goes for returning soldiers, why can we be trained by the US military/ Amred Forces to kill "enemies" of the united States, but when it cant be turned off and they return home and act as how they were trained they are charged in courts for murder?

[edit on 14-2-2010 by nvprose1]


reply posted on 14-2-2010 @ 06:47 PM by crusaderiam
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984



cartoon porn is cartoon porn and it is sad but I don't think he should go to jail for it.


reply posted on 14-2-2010 @ 07:17 PM by Klavier
Heh.
Thought Crimes, touchy, real touchy.
Am I a pedophile if I think about the first time I had sex because I was underage at that time? I believe most rational people would say "no"-
If your parents ever took even slightly naked picture with you as a baby in it, are they pedophiles? Again, I think most rational people would say "no."
Pedophilia is the society's ultmate taboo at the moment, heck, Bush could've just said "Hussein has child porn!1" and that would've done it.
The guy who had the drawings of fictional characters did nothing wrong, if anything, he should sue back as he was alleged of pedophilia without any real proof.
If I write that "Lucy had sex with Jack when they were both 17" Am I a pedophile? I don't think so.
The fact that even some people need to argue about the line between fiction and reality and claim that fiction is "harmful" is well, sad really.
Let's put it this way. I imagine that I'm going to shoot my neighbour, I can see in my mind he getting shot and dying.
Now, am I a murderer? Nope, I didn't do anything REAL.
If I were to shoot him really, then hey, lock me behind bars by all means. (I wouldn't shoot anyone, though.)

Thoughts cannot be punished for. I bet most of us had sexual thoughts about some of our peers when we were teenagers, that certainly isn't pedophilia in my opinion. Neither is fictional drawings.

Pedophilia is really a "tool" these days. It's a way to attack someone personally by claiming they have child porn, and nobody will believe them anymore. It's stupid and evil. By making a real problem a mere "joke" ("joke" as it's not funny) the society is once again, failing miserably.

What next? You imagine someone with "jewish background" being burned, you're automatically a nazi and go to prison for life? I hope not. But then again, I wouldn't be surprised.

Remember; As long as it's a thought, you haven't done anything wrong. To actually perform the thought in real life..That is a whole different story. What happened to the "Innocent until proven guilty"?

I hope I gave someone, something to think about.

EDIT: Typo or two.

[edit on 14-2-2010 by Klavier]


reply posted on 14-2-2010 @ 07:22 PM by humilisunus
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984



I can't believe your sticking up for this, it's almost guilt by association. Anytime a child is depicted in a sexual way, is an assault against children everywhere and anything that draws a grey area around children and abuse of them is disgusting and should be illegal.

Anyone looking for this kind of stuff is in a sick fantasy that could lead to the kidnapping, abuse, murder or all of the above. Remember what Ted Bundy said about this kind of stuff, when he said "it started with porn, then went to crime magazines" and how he would "fantasize that he was doing all these evil sexual things to women" and it kept building in him until he actually went out and did what was portayed in the pages.


reply posted on 14-2-2010 @ 07:31 PM by humilisunus
reply to post by Klavier



Some of your responces are the same things Charles Manson says and sticks to, " i dont have to kill anyone i just imagine it" But we all know what good he has done for people right?

Thought is not a crime until it becomes action, but possesing child porn is action, and he took the initiative to collect pictures that depict child sexuallity which is not a thought crime it is an actual physical crime that deserves one of the highest punishments.

There is a difference between thinking about a Jewish person on fire and actually having documents depicting it. Someone died from it and someone is fantasizing about anothers death, and of course worst of all someone profits from it. All things that should br regareded as psychopathic traits.


reply posted on 14-2-2010 @ 07:45 PM by Klavier
reply to post by humilisunus



Maybe so, but still: Drawing, about a fictional character (=DOESN'T EXIST IN REAL LIFE) even though meant to "be underage" is not child pornography; mainly because it is fiction. You can imagine the portrayed character to be 8000 years old if you want to, it is not real either way.

Now, assuming the guy had REAL child porn, that would be a whole different story. But since he apparantly doesn't, then there's no case against him.

Punishing from Fictional "art" is the same as punishing from thoughts.
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