[edit: This is just a recap of stuff I've read, I'm just throwing it out for consumption and to see others thoughts. Not that I know it's 100% true or whatnot. Like my handle says, I'm a seeker of knowledge. Thanks for your time]
There's manipulation in the media outlets(not just TV) to be sure.

From what I'be gathered, the longer you are involved in certain "non interactive" tasks, that is tasks that really do not require your full attention, concentration or for you to put effort into it; you attain a point which is oft referred to as "synthesis" where your sub conscious is dominating your overall perception of reality.

At any time of "synthesis" you are like a computer that's just sitting there for the most part cycling waiting for data to process. I mean sure critical functions and involuntary systems of the body keep running, but other than that you're just sitting there letting this "supercomputer" go to waste, and so it is open to any stimuli it can find.

The government and ad agencies know of this as well, and they make a point of constantly testing new methods of inputting information of value to them that A. Successfully enters your mind and processes without fragmentation and B. It is retained in your memory without high possibility of accidental or involuntary "purging".

There are many methods used to achieve this goal, and there are frequency pitches that aid them slightly. The most successful messaging to enter our brains is via either info that is presented in a sexual nature of one sort or another, or via patterns, sounds, and motions that can attract our interest in a semi short period of time. I say semi-short as our brains "refresh rate" is so so very fast that really they could get multiple images through in the avg time of a single implantation, the normally do not however, as that can lead to their dreaded "fragmentation"(see above).

If one really would like to research this, you'll notice that this is not merely a domain that is ruled by ad agencies hoping to make you purchase the latest widget. In fact the government buys "spots" in television programming (news broadcasts, sitcoms, children's shows, talk shows, dramas, movies etc) to get a stated ideal "endorsed" by your favorite show's actors. Now this varies from your average "always wear a seatbelt" to the "don't drink underage" etc... But they also do "implanting" that can only be described as "psyops", wherein you get fast "coding" to instill an ideal "patriotism" or a sensory perception "fear" or "outrage" etc ... you should be getting the idea by now.

I'd imagine the next thing to ask would be "Is there anyway to combat such things?" And while I can say there are ways to still go about watching t.v. like you do now with a few tips to avoid "synthesis", I want to make it clear that the only way to be sure you combat such actions is to *not watch television, and not use radio as a "background device" (such as while driving, or cleaning house etc* As I know most find the above to be "loony" or what have you, I will say that you can do the following things while watching t.v. or radio in order to combat most covert messaging:

Truly try to engage another in a conversation that keeps your mind working and involved in the "here and now", drifting off to the "synthesis daze" is your enemy...

Get up and walk around from the TV constantly. Yes you really should every 15mins or so, a good way is to make a point of getting up, muting the TV or whatever and walk into another room during the commercial breaks. This step alone will put you a step ahead of most.

Watch in small doses, as it's the prolonged exposure that really lets your mind "wind down" and just sit there open to what-have-you.


Well that's just my $0.02 on the whole thing. Good luck to ya on it, whatever you choose!

TS
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Deny Ignorance.

[Edited on 28-5-2004 by TheSeeker]

[Edited on 28-5-2004 by TheSeeker]

What you are talking about is true and has been prove, back in the seventes subliminar ads where started. I don't know what is going on with tv lately but I don't even want to watch it anymore.

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As I said above that's what I've gathered thus far. I did so by using google, and researching various aspects of it, etc. Others can too. I don't expect to be 100%, just my general thoughts from what I've read and seen. Sorry I wasn't overly clear, thought I was but I'm new to this posting stuff.

Thanks for the info, hey I notice everytime I link to google my adaware flash a warning for google, does that happens to you.?

Hmm I've never had anything like that come up. Maybe it's got something to do with your cookie settings?

I'm not really sure to be honest with ya. May also be the type of browser you're running. Personally I run Opera, and it does quite a bit of ad blocking automatically from what I've gathered. I used to use Internet Explorer, but it just seemed like Microsoft kept putting "Critical Updates" for it on their Windows Update server. So I switched as Opera seems more stable and less prone to constant exploitations needing to be patched.

Hehe probably more of an answer than you wanted, but there it is.

TS
[edited for the grammatical errors that stood out at me. ]

[Edited on 28-5-2004 by TheSeeker]

I always had the t.v. muted during commercials.

I have heard that supposedy, retail stores put subliminal messages in the music they play. Messages like "don't steal", "stay longer" and "buy more". Does anyone know this to be true?

I'm not absolutly certain of this but I believe that subliminal messages once they were discovered have now been outlawed on TV... thats not to say that people still don't do them but I remember a big scandal about it years ago and I'm almost certain they stopped it... I think the scandal originated in the movie theaters where subliminal images of popcorn and candy were fflashed during movie previews to get people to buy more from the concessions.

Anyone else remember ?

Well if there isn't a law ... don't you think there should be ?

Who policies this type of thing for porn and things like that?

I remember when Disney cartoonists put X rated things in thier cartoons like that for #s and giggles... was very hard to see them .... most couldn't unless it was in slow motion... There was a stink at Disney productions over that one.

Chevy,


I'd totally support laws to combat this, especially if it is so widespread as I've been lead to believe it is. I'm really unsure who would be in charge of policing such things, I'd guess maybe the FCC, but that's just a guess.

I haven't had a chance to, but if one were to search, there may be some form of grassroots movement to petition the FCC for proper legislation and oversight of such acts. If so maybe it should be made know to the good members of forums such as this, as any logical truth seeking individual wouldn't want this to continue IMHO.

For all I know there may be a law already on the books somewhere, and the problem lies in the lack of enforcement, in which case I don't know what to say. I can tell you that I don't watch much television or radio, and have not for quite some time, not merely due to this subject, but due to the lack of much real knowledge or information that is digestible from the outlets.

In fact, I "pulled the plug" long before I heard of such things. And I can attest to the fact that my mind is much more clear, and processes information much more rationally than it ever did while I was habitually watching television. I'm not going to attribute this directly to the television having negative influences on me, as it seems equally likely that these changes occurred due to the fact that I turned off the television and found new avenues to pursue for knowledge and entertainment.

Regarding Disney, yes they have indeed been caught several times with their hands in this particular "cookie jar". Not only Disney themselves, but also other media companies owned by them. One that sticks out in my mind just off the bat is the entire scandal involving Touchstone and their motion picture/animation hybrid "Who Framed Roger Rabbit", which had some rather lewd and suggestive frames of the main character's(Roger Rabbit) "wife"(Forget it's name, but a "voluptuous" "toon) and showing of female genitalia. When that came out there was very little in media, but what was reported caused outrage in much of the public's eyes. Much along the lines of the words "SEX" being put in many Disney animated films, or the cover art to Disney's "The Little Mermaid"(Initial release, it was changed later) that had a depiction of male genitals under the guise of a "castle tower". These where also barely reported in the media, and never have the actual subliminal implications been discussed by the mainstream media.

Just thought it was interesting to note.


TS

do u think disney execs planned this or was it just a few disgruntled artists tired of sketching a disney char for the millionth time?

i think it was the execs but i have to think of other reasons.

Good Point, and one that needs to be thought of.

I know they tried to state that it was a disgruntled employee who knew of his upcoming termination in at least one situation, but I'm not sure I'd buy that.

The artist would know, or at least strongly suspect that he'd be caught either by his employer, or the public. Now Disney is for whatever reason the paragon of mass distribution children's video animation. I know that most people who have struggled to make it into a position at Disney would not play with chance in that manner. Not only that, but in that industry your name and reputation is pretty much everything, most if not all mainstream animation artist recognize this fact, and tread the line very carefully in one way or another. This is even more true in child-oriented animation, as soccer moms are very opinionated, and voice concerns/ outrage swiftly in light of scandal.


This is just theory from what I've amassed, but It's rather logical.


I'd say there is direct involvement with project supervisors or higher even, although at this time I'll not make any claims as to knowing their motivations for such actions.

TS

Subliminal messages are, in my opinion, completely integrated in everything....subliminal graphics are on everything we buy, subliminal graphics and audio are all over tv, radio, AND no doubt the internet. Just try to get to the bottom of what's really going on with this subject sometime...they guard it like a state secret. Maybe that's because of who's really using what medium and for what REAL purpose. (1984....we've been living it for a long time and didn't even know it)