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Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by Quickfix
I don't think you understand the economic forces at work here.
Any time government involvement is to blame for economic problems, it has nothing to do with capitalism.
Capitalism involves NO government at all.
In a capitalist system, governments ONLY role is to prosecute fraud and uphold contract law.
Subsidies, bailouts, tax breaks, government contracts, handouts, etc.. etc.. etc.. are SOCIALIST or FASCIST in nature.
[edit on 18-1-2010 by mnemeth1]
Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by Quickfix
OK dude, I'm done arguing with you. You're only making yourself look foolish by stating the private sector is responsible for tax payer funded bailouts.
The level of Orwellian thinking required to reach that conclusion is beyond all reason.
[edit on 18-1-2010 by mnemeth1]
VC reader Steven Hamori thinks that Leiter (like many contemporary commentators and perhaps the editors of the American Heritage Dictionary as well) is confused about the definition of fascism, and misinterprets the oft-repeated Mussolini/Gentile quote that "Fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power." Hamori writes
[The quote] has circulated in the left wing blogshere for as long as I can recall… I believe it to be a real one too although some credit it to Giovanni Gentile (Mussolini allegedly took credit for it while not originally uttering it).[According to Wikipedia:]"Gentile, described both by himself and Mussolini as ‘the philosopher of Fascism’, was the ghostwriter of ‘A Doctrine of Fascism’ which, signed by Benito Mussolini, described Fascism in the Italian Encyclopedia (which was edited by Gentile)."
The problem is that a ‘corporate’ in Italian of the period is not a business organization. A corporate is a production planning board made up of workers, owners, and others involved in production advocated by the syndicalist school of socialism. Their beloved quote is actually Mussolini (or maybe Gentile) making a connection between fascism and socialism . . .
[Again, Wikipedia]"Historically, corporatism or corporative (Italian corporativismo) is a political system in which legislative power is given to corporations that represent economic, industrial and professional groups."
"Under Fascism in Italy, business owners, employees, trades-people, professionals, and other economic classes were organized into 22 guilds, or associations, known as "corporations" according to their industries, and these groups were given representation in a legislative body known as the Camera dei Fasci e delle Corporazioni."
Hamori concludes:
I doubt Leiter knows anything about the history of fascism. Intellectually, the progressive left has a lot more in common with it than the ‘libertarian right’ (the real liberals). . . . If anyone advocates a merging of ‘business corporate’ and state it is the regulation happy / anti competition left. The average ‘right winger’ says let an uncompetitive business fail.