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reply posted on 1-1-2010 @ 05:29 PM by 13579
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It means your a partical... in something that works

Be happy

you could have been a rock! LOL


reply posted on 2-1-2010 @ 12:48 PM by sirnex
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and shall i tell you why the standard model is in fact WRONG?


I already said that, didn't I?

becaus it never EVER EVER EVER factord in YOU!


That is just a naive and infantile answer. The mind never directly observes or has any direct effect upon the universe.

We "humans" consist of matter.. yet we also OBSERVE matter correct?


The mind never directly observes matter. All perceptions of the outside world first interact with the atoms in our nerve endings that make up our five sensory organs. These sensory organs then sends an electrochemical signal down a bundle of nerve fibers into our brain. Once these signals reach our brain, it then processes these signals into usable information that allows us to perceive what is going on around us. You can ignore the biology of it all you want, this won't change a thing.

so what is our main problem when dealing with such things as gravity and other crazy things we see?? <- key word here is SEE..


We don't 'see' gravity, perhaps that's the main problem with you? You lack a very basic understanding of physics, chemistry and biology and then demand all sorts of weird and crazy stuff about the universe.

well its the very fact we are doing what QM says we should be doing and that is effecting our very reality by being here in accordence with logic


QM has nothing to say about human consciousness. Yes, I know there are a ton of new age sensationalized media articles out there that flat out lie about the basic fundamentals of this science, yet a lie is a lie no matter if you believe it to be true. QM deals with how *matter* behaves at the subatomic level and shows us that we can't treat *matter* in the classical sense.

So.. why is it that dark matter and dark engery are here??


They aren't 'here'. Dark matter/energy are invented terms and physics that don't actually exist in order to make the standard model work with what is being observed in our universe. Without those two inventions as well as a few more, our universe *could not* exist as there is not enough matter. This poses a huge problem for the standard model, so rather than realizing it's wrong, scientists made up some convenient forms of matter to hang onto their dying model.

well let us understand observation first... the only way it could be possible to have such "attributes" shall we say would be on scale we are not yet aware OF..


I already understand what an observation and 'observer' is accordingly to how physics describes it. I've tried numerous time's to explain this concept to you personally as well as by directly quoting and citing sources for your review. You are not an observe and you never observe anything directly.

and reactions there off.. So assume the universe is a giant human being and locked in side this human being is a mind " a function of such" now.. things get weird because.. this is in fact the case "tho not human i presume" but in anycase its more true..


That made no sense, show's no knowledge of physics, chemistry or biology, is not a fact and we know that to be true by your demanding of that we 'assume'.

And what is so funny is that WE are an interaction of the very thing we queston?


What is really funny is that you demand we overthrow all of biology and how the human body interacts with the world around it. That's just too cute.

it made me and you ? yet we see it? how can we be "in side out" so to speak when dealing with ones own reality and thus how can one fathom it?


Using 'made'/'create' as if implying an intentional act of creating does not make the universe a purposefully creating entity.

well we dont need to fathom "it" do we? because we are "IT" correct?


No, I am not the universe as a *whole*. Do you understand why I emphasize *whole* when I say that? If you don't then I'll explain it to you.

So what is dark matter? well we know its there ? yet we can not "pin it down to one / wave / or attom" why? because we in fact make that happen by obveration of it..


Dark matter/energy does not exist. We don't observe it and we conveniently *can't* observe it. Go learn something about dark matter/energy before you spout off nonsensical garbage.

The force that created life its self or happens to be inside all living beings i key


There is no singular force that creates life. Learn something about physics, chemistry and biology.

and this my dear freind you will come to understand


I value knowledge over stupidity. What this means is that I will never come to 'understand' the garbage you post.





[edit on 2-1-2010 by sirnex]

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