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reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 01:06 AM by heyo
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I'm only talking about why people aren't seen as individuals. So since there are no people running under a 'center lib" AND 'extreme lib' campaign simultaneously, both are lumped in together into one group. Basically, you're going to get flack cause everyone knows that the guy who wants a bigger welfare cheque voted for the same guy you did, if we go by the generally accepted practices of liberal/conservative.

That being said, I agree with the above poster who said that nowadays, or since i've been alive even, the only consistancy shown from either side is that they'll do anything to get reelected, whether it's aligned with the ideals of those who voted for them or not.

I think it's a great example of tptb's understanding of human psychology.


reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 01:16 AM by junglejake
reply to post by Uniceft17



Meh, if you study American history, this is a cycle that has taken place 4 other times in the past (5 if you include the Adams/Jefferson election), and it has always been the same result.

Though the two partied system is flawed, both parties respond quickly to effective third party candidates. It was seen in 1912 with Roosevelt, Taft and Wilson, it was seen in 1932, and it was seen in 1988. Though the press effectively kills any third party candidate from making headway, both parties recognize the desires of the people when a third party candidate gets a large number of votes and they both adjust. They became more progressive in 1912, more socialist in 1932, and more fiscally responsible in 1988.

To call the current parties new liberals and new conservatives would be like saying we lived in neoAmerica after the industrial revolution and neoneoAmerica after World War I and neoneoneoAmerica after after environmentalism, etc. The parties adjust to the times and the demands of the population. They're not idiots, and unfortunately they're not altruistic -- they're more interested in getting their party elected than they are the welfare of the country, but they know that, for some reason, those crazy Americans are concerned with the welfare of their country more than they are the welfare of one party or another (David Schippers III demonstrated this recently in turning from his lifelong party and pursuing what he perceived to be justice for America at their expense).


reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 01:32 AM by heyo
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I understand you, but you and said example voting for the same person creates an inescapable correlation in people's minds. There is not enough time to follow you around and make sure you're a hard worker.Of course there are probably many other reasons but I think it's one of them.

So essentially, you're screwed, even though it's not your fault. It's just a natural thought process that is created. Similiar to a christian, for example, who is fiscally/socially conservative but is against war, he also is lumped in with the warmongers. Or one that sees a homosexual's sin as not being greater than his own; same lumpage.

Your whole conundrum seems inescapable imo. My question is, are there people behind the scenes making it like this? It's so genius i have to believe there's a driving force behind it.


reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 03:35 AM by Uniceft17
Originally posted by heyo
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I understand you, but you and said example voting for the same person creates an inescapable correlation in people's minds.



Huh? Where did I say this?



Basically, you're going to get flack cause everyone knows that the guy who wants a bigger welfare cheque voted for the same guy you did


You also lost me there. I never said who I voted for, I vote independent (besides Ron Paul), the majority of Americans vote 2 party.


reply posted on 2-12-2009 @ 10:02 PM by Carseller4
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Liberal? Great! At least I know where you are coming from. The only thing worse than a liberal would be a moderate. They will stab you in the back in a second...uhhummmm...John McCain...cough...cough.

Being liberal is a real easy choice since it relys mainly on feelings, no real thought is involved at all. Being a moderate takes a little bit more work...moistening the finger to see which way the wind is blowing takes a little effort.

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