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Bob Ainsworth criticises Barack Obama over Afghanistan

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posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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Bob Ainsworth criticises Barack Obama over Afghanistan


www.telegraph.co. uk

Mr Ainsworth took the unprecedented step of publicly criticising the US President and his delays in sending more troops to bolster the mission against the Taliban. Senior British Government sources have become increasingly frustrated with Mr Obama’s “dithering” on Afghanistan, the Daily Telegraph disclosed earlier this month, with several former British defence chiefs echoing the concerns.

But Mr Ainsworth is the first Government minister to express in public what amounts to personal criticism .
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posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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Brittish ministers say the mission is vital to stop international terrorists using Afghanistan as a base. Any dithering by Obama indicating a lack of commitment is an unwelcome sign of weakness by an an Administration with an already weak reputation worldwide.

"Senior British Government sources have become increasingly frustrated with Mr Obama’s “dithering” on Afghanistan, the Daily Telegraph disclosed earlier this month, with several former British defence chiefs echoing the concerns.

But Mr Ainsworth is the first Government minister to express in public what amounts to personal criticism of the US president’s leadership over the conflict which has so far cost 235 British lives."

Obama's recent trip to the Orient was widely recognized as a failure do to Obama's Mr. Nice Guy diplomacy.

For goodness sakes, make a decision, Mr. Obama! Beating around the bush is weakness!

www.telegraph.co. uk
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posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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In case anyone hadn't noticed, the White House is hosting the Indian decision makers over the next few days. The discussion will include India's ability to hold off Pakistan in a nuclear stalemate as we advance in Afghanistan. We need our allies in the region to help us.

Further, we know the plans of the terrorists include a Christmas operation so the timing is critical. Just be patient. The US government has our best interest in mind. Obama makes a wrong move and the trapdoor will open on his butt. He's only the figure head. Decisions aren't his alone.

Who is Bob Ainsworth anyway? He needs to stuff his piehole with turkey and realize that TPTB don't know who the heck he is other than a dd gnat. Anyone can be a critic. Only a few can be something much better.



posted on Nov, 24 2009 @ 08:16 PM
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Who is Bob Ainsworth anyway?


Defence Secretary 'Bumbling Bob' Ainsworth blames Barack Obama for British public's disquiet over Afghan war Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

The comments will raise fresh doubts about Mr Ainsworth's future following an underwhelming stint at the Ministry of Defence. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...# ixzz0Xpk1zbXW


Apparently his popularity is underwhelming at present but he is defense minister!



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 07:00 AM
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The UK has always been a good tool for distraction headlines. They act like they are on the fence very well.

Once we announce Afghanistan is a go then Iran will heat up and Israel will be called to use their military while India holds off Pakistan. This is the only way to prevent Iran from using a nuke with back up from Pakistan and causing global fallout. Dumbasssses, they don't care about the reprocussions and radiation poisoning, they will be martyred and the rest of us will glow. Not happening, we have a plan to stop that of course. But Allah will call and they will deliver eventually. Should be interesting.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 07:30 AM
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You really must be dying for world war three to pop off JJay5. Some of us have family in the military and would prefer that they come home instead of dying in more useless wars because a few people are afraid of terrorists.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by illuminatislave
You really must be dying for world war three to pop off JJay5. Some of us have family in the military and would prefer that they come home instead of dying in more useless wars because a few people are afraid of terrorists.

Quite the opposite. The US is taking measures to prevent WWIII.
The wars aren't useless nor our creation. We are defending ourselves not aggressing war.
And the small amount of terrorists is a myth too. There are 57 OIC countries with plans for world dominance that is a threat to us. They employ terrorists to help them toward their goal. We won't sit back and allow that because that would end our freedom. So bless those in the military who are fighting for our freedom. God Bless them all!



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 07:51 AM
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On the face of it, my first reaction was that Bob Ainsworth should keep his mouth shut. This looks like an attempt to shift the government's failings onto American shoulders, which will cause immense harm to our already strained trans-Atlantic ties. The war has never been popular in Britain, regardless of what the POTUS says or does, and the Labour government are ultimately responsible for explaining and rationalising it to their electorate, no-one else. They took us to war, not the USA.

But upon further reflection, I have to say that I cannot imagine even an idiot like Bob Ainsworth would be quite so undiplomatic without purpose. Perhaps there is some bigger game afoot here and this is all just for show. I don't know.

Or perhaps I'm clutching at straws, and Labour are determined to drag Britain down with them in their final death throes.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 08:37 AM
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UK is just freaked out because they have 30 Islamic terror cells in their country that are unaccounted for and don't want to risk them getting "upset" and pulling a Ft Hood or dirty bomb in the Tower of London. Dhimmis.
50% Muslims population has the Brits by the balls. They gave away their oldest and most sacred church to build a mosque instead. Sharia Law is just around the corner for them. Pansies.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 08:47 AM
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Perhaps someone with something resembling a sack should criticize Mr. Obama?

His inaction is giving an impression of weakness to people you dare not show weakness to. Not just terrorists, either. Nor am I referring only to Iran, whom I consider not a great threat in any case. Do remember a little, or not so little, country called Russia. I may be wrong, wouldn't hardly shock me, but I see Russia as a major player again in global geopolitiks...and not for the better. Vlad Putin is, how do I phrase this, a school yard bully with intellect...show weakness and you've got more problems than you may be able to deal with.

Mr. Obama, and his cabinet of buffoons, is in so far over their heads as to beggar the imagination. Someone needs to educate him on the perils of being perceived as weak and vacillating, and soon.

Jimmy Carter, anyone? Part two...



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 09:04 AM
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LOL, I have never read so much tripe in my life, the muslim population, do not have the UK by the balls, please back up your statements with links etc, to prove your claims. If you cannot your posting is baseless and meaningless to say the least.


As for Shiara law, it will not happen at least not in my lifetime. We the ordinary British Public will not allow it to happen. There is already talk in parliament to bann certain groups which are deemed extreme, whom recieve public funding. So no the muslim population do not have the UK by the balls, as you have put it.

As for Bob Ainsworth, he as the Defense Minister of the UK Armed forces, has as much right, to criticise or voice concerns if he thinks the allies invovled in this conflict, are not doing enough or faltering over decisions. After all the UK Cannot make decisions itself, without consulting, thier allies. When it comes to operational decisions in Afghanistan.

[edit on 25-11-2009 by Laurauk]



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 09:32 AM
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Good luck to you. Glad there are a few still willing to fight.
No need to apologize for the dhimmis in the UK government, they are trying their best and are being friendly.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 02:20 PM
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As for Bob Ainsworth, he as the Defense Minister of the UK Armed forces, has as much right, to criticise or voice concerns if he thinks the allies invovled in this conflict, are not doing enough or faltering over decisions. After all the UK Cannot make decisions itself, without consulting, thier allies. When it comes to operational decisions in Afghanistan.


Thanks! That's my interpretation also. Mr Ainsworth had better speak out and what better, more qualified Britt than he? Obama is dragging feet in a big way and he has another week or so of it!

Obama has been on a run now making the entire world disgusted and he needs to be set on the right track by someone!



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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"Success in Afghanistan is still possible, but only if we act quickly, judiciously, and decisively," declared the Illinois junior senator


www.investors.com...


I think it is important for Europe to understand that even though I am president and George Bush is not president, Al Qaeda is still a threat.


www.brainyquote.com...


President Obama has called Afghanistan "a necessary war" compared with the war in Iraq, which he opposed and vows to end.


articles.latimes.com...

Thank God Obama sees this as a necessary war, otherwise it would take him years to make a decision.

to Ainsworth for telling it like it is.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 04:46 PM
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only if we act quickly, judiciously, and decisively,"
"lol:

Obama Could Lock In Afghanistan Decision By Monday

The operating word there is Could. He had a meeting Monday night and his staff is going home for the weekend. And with Obama's BUSY schedule it's not looking good! He has a big Christmas special coming up with Oprah!

ABC announces Oprah-Obama Christmas special



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 06:04 PM
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Well I say this as a Britain. Ainsworth(less) can shut his mouth around the following facts and suck upon them. First , he and by extention the entire military have not a leg to stand on when it comes to choices made well and made fast. For a start the men we have in theatre (as the moustachioed pleb likes to say) are NOT wearing the best protective equipment in the world, they are wearing the best that is affordable. They are only therefore wearing substandard gear, because the MOD has pen pushers to pay (for thier absolute cake walk of a job I might add). The best armour available to mankind at this time is the quite remarkable Trojan S body armour built and designed by canadian InventorTroy.com sorry thats all I know him as .
Now thats a FACT there is NO competition in terms of the armour troy built . It is quite simply astonishingly effective. In this armour twelve gauge delivered at point blank will feel like a freindly fist in the gut. Nothing more. No cracked ribs , no internal bleeding... just a light bump , and then you carry on. Ainsworth isnt protesting on behalf of the troops , to get them such armour, and so as far as I am concerned, hes a dimwit, and completely incapable of doing his job.
Second point. I am afraid that I am happy that Obama is taking his time. Unlike the previous president , he cares about the effects his nations foriegn policy have on other nations , and on his own troops as well . I know there are problems caused by delay , but Im sure he has the best possible intentions here, and I cant get past the fact that he has at least considered all the options, he has been strong enough to make the choice at his own pace , not according to some percieved calandar ... I like it, as a political move, and because it was the right thing to do to make sure that ALL the permutations that could come of his choice , have been explored.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 07:03 PM
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Second point. I am afraid that I am happy that Obama is taking his time. Unlike the previous president , he cares about the effects his nations foriegn policy have on other nations , and on his own troops as well . I know there are problems caused by delay , but Im sure he has the best possible intentions here, and I cant get past the fact that he has at least considered all the options, he has been strong enough to make the choice at his own pace


I'm sure you will agree with this then: In his slow decision-making, Obama goes with head, not gut

He doesn't go with his gut, he thinks with his head, which I think is desirable." Referring to the Afghanistan decision, Wayne said, "I don't think he is an indecisive person, I just think this is a tough one." ad_icon But to his critics, Obama's prolonged Afghanistan review suggests weakness rather than wisdom. Former vice president Richard B. Cheney lobbed the "dithering" accusation last month. Then last week, former senator Fred D. Thompson (R-Tenn.) said on his radio show that Obama has waited so long to decide on an Afghanistan strategy that the war is now lost. "The president does not have the will and determination to do what's necessary to win it.


But to me this is a better way to describe Obama:

Bolton: It’s like a slow motion train wreck watching Obama’s decision making process

This is just getting ridiculous. I know these decisions are important, but we have the brightest minds in Washington working on this, and now we find out two and a half months later that the only decision Obama has made is to reject all the options on the table? For crying out loud, he’s a community organizer! What does he know about war? He needs to decide something while are troops lives are at stake!

[edit on 25/11/09 by plumranch]



posted on Nov, 26 2009 @ 04:01 AM
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Timing is critical. The West is not making the calendar, it's the enemy who is calling the shots. We are in defensive mode of an enemy who controls the timing. Therefore, the waiting game is important.

Why 911? Because it's a coptic Christian holiday. This enemy chooses dates and times symbolic in the West to carry out their attacks. Since we are aware of this we probably want to take advantage of it.

A tendency in the West is to rush things for immediate gradification. That would be a mistake.




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