Round 1: OzWeatherman vs nikiano - "2012"

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posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 08:33 AM
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The topic for this debate is "2012 is not the end of the world!"

"OzWeatherman" will be arguing the "Pro" position and begin the debate.
"nikiano" will be arguing the "Con" position.


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posted on Nov, 23 2009 @ 09:14 PM
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2012 is NOT the end of the world

Before I begin, many thanks to Chissler for setting up the debate tournament, the readers about to indulge in this particular debate, and of course my respected opponent.

The Opening Statement

The topic we are discussing is one that is both thought provoking and controversial, as well as becoming an increasingly well known one in mainstream society. Considering the vast number of different of 2012 doomsday webistes and material, it will also be a broad and vast topic to research.

Id like to begin with a rough definition of "The End of the World":

End of the World- an unpleasant or disastrous destiny

So with that in mind, I will be arguing that 2012 is not the end of the world. In this debate I will show several reasons why this is not going to happen, and I will also question the plausibility of it.

Secondly, I will also be explaining why the main reason for the 2012 theory, which is the Mayan calender, and how it has been grossly misinterpreted, resulting in the theory we know today.

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Finally

As I currently have no socratic questions yet, I would now like to hand the debate over to my opponent to post their opening post.



posted on Nov, 25 2009 @ 07:04 AM
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Since my opponent has failed to post in the 24 hours after my opening post, I will continue with my first argument

The Mayan Calender
As I mentioned before, the 2012 doomsday prophecy centralises around the end of the Mayan calender on December 21st, 2012. This, in actual fact, is completely incorrect.

The Mayan calender is actually composed of several different calenders, which can be interlocked and combined to create a more complexed calender.

These are:

Tzolk'in: also known as the Maya sacred round, it lasts 260 days. This calender was important in determining religious and celebratory events within the Mayan culture.

Haab': Similar to the calender we use, it was composed of 365 days, starting on the winter solstice.

Long Count: Used to measure dates longer than 52 years (which was considered a lifetime in the Mayan culture)

The one calender we will focus on, the one that is the cause of the entire 2012 theory, is known as the long term calender.Just like the normal calender we follow today, the long term calender ends, and begins again.

There vare however several major differences. It was originally used to measure dates that would last longer the Mayan lifetime, using a 20 base character system. The western calender uses a 10 character system. Each of these 20 phases is known as a Tun. There are 2 smaller numbers which are used to specify smaller periods within the Tun, or to make the Tun. These are the K'in and the Winal. Each of these units resets to zero at the end of its respective phase.

Here is a simple version of 5 different units used to measure.

1 day= 1 K'in
20 days= 20 K'in = 1 Winal= 0.055 solar years
360 days= 18 Winal= 1 Tun= 1 solar year
7200 days= 20 Tun= K'atun= 19.7 solar years
144,000 days= 20 K'atun= 1 B'ak'tun= 394.3 years

As an exapmle of how it works, 28 days is interpreted as 0.0.0.1.8. The first character being the B'ak'tun, the second being the K'atun, the third being the Tun, the fourth being the Winal, and the last being the K'in. So in explanation, the last character being 8 is equal to 8 K'in, and one day. The second last being 1 winal, which is equal to 20 days....thus 0.0.0.1.8 equals 28 solar days.

Its a complex method to compare to our own dates, but according to scholars, the Mayan long term calender does not end on December 21, 2012. Considering it begun on August 11 3114BS, the assumption that the calender ends on the 21/12/12, is totally wrong.


Misinterpretation of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar is the basis for a New Age belief that a cataclysm will take place on December 21, 2012. December 21, 2012 is simply the last day of the 13th b'ak'tun. But that is not the end of the Long Count because the 14th through 20th b'ak'tuns are still to come.


en.wikipedia.org...

www.pauahtun.org...

As my opponent has not yet posted in the required time, I will leave my first argument as a simple one. I also have no socratic questions for this same reason.



posted on Nov, 26 2009 @ 09:18 PM
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nikiano has missed 2 posts and thus forfeits the debate.

OzWeatherman will move to the second round.





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