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Topic started on 19-11-2009 @ 09:43 AM by Anti-Evil
To date there are One Hundred Eleven New Federal Bureaucracies Created in Pelosi Health Bill

November 2, 2009 stay tuned for additional bureaucracies



1. Retiree Reserve Trust Fund (Section 111(d), p. 61)

2. Grant program for wellness programs to small employers (Section 112, p. 62)

3. Grant program for State health access programs (Section 114, p. 72)

4. Program of administrative simplification (Section 115, p. 76)

5. Health Benefits Advisory Committee (Section 223, p. 111)

6. Health Choices Administration (Section 241, p. 131)

7. Qualified Health Benefits Plan Ombudsman (Section 244, p. 138)

8. Health Insurance Exchange (Section 201, p. 155)

9. Program for technical assistance to employees of small businesses buying Exchange coverage (Section 305(h), p. 191)

10. Mechanism for insurance risk pooling to be established by Health Choices Commissioner (Section 306(b), p. 194)

11. Health Insurance Exchange Trust Fund (Section 307, p. 195)

12. State-based Health Insurance Exchanges (Section 308, p. 197)

13. Grant program for health insurance cooperatives (Section 310, p. 206)

14. “Public Health Insurance Option” (Section 321, p. 211)

15. Ombudsman for “Public Health Insurance Option” (Section 321(d), p. 213)

16. Account for receipts and disbursements for “Public Health Insurance Option” (Section 322(b), p. 215)

17. Telehealth Advisory Committee (Section 1191 (b), p. 589)

18. Demonstration program providing reimbursement for “culturally and linguistically appropriate services” (Section 1222, p. 617)

19. Demonstration program for shared decision making using patient decision aids (Section 1236, p. 648)

20. Accountable Care Organization pilot program under Medicare (Section 1301, p. 653)

21. Independent patient-centered medical home pilot program under Medicare (Section 1302, p. 672)

22. Community-based medical home pilot program under Medicare (Section 1302(d), p. 681)

23. Independence at home demonstration program (Section 1312, p. 718)

24. Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research (Section 1401(a), p. 734)

25. Comparative Effectiveness Research Commission (Section 1401(a), p. 738)

26. Patient ombudsman for comparative effectiveness research (Section 1401(a), p. 753)

27. Quality assurance and performance improvement program for skilled nursing facilities (Section 1412(b)(1), p. 784)

28. Quality assurance and performance improvement program for nursing facilities (Section 1412 (b)(2), p. 786)

29. Special focus facility program for skilled nursing facilities (Section 1413(a)(3), p. 796)

30. Special focus facility program for nursing facilities (Section 1413(b)(3), p. 804)

31. National independent monitor pilot program for skilled nursing facilities and nursing facilities (Section 1422, p. 859)

32. Demonstration program for approved teaching health centers with respect to Medicare GME (Section 1502(d), p. 933)

33. Pilot program to develop anti-fraud compliance systems for Medicare providers (Section 1635, p. 978)

34. Special Inspector General for the Health Insurance Exchange (Section 1647, p. 1000)

35. Medical home pilot program under Medicaid (Section 1722, p. 1058)

36. Accountable Care Organization pilot program under Medicaid (Section 1730A, p. 1073)

37. Nursing facility supplemental payment program (Section 1745, p. 1106)

38. Demonstration program for Medicaid coverage to stabilize emergency medical conditions in institutions for mental diseases (Section 1787, p. 1149)

39. Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund (Section 1802, p. 1162)

40. “Identifiable office or program” within CMS to “provide for improved coordination between Medicare and Medicaid in the case of dual eligibles” (Section 1905, p. 1191)

41. Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation (Section 1907, p. 1198)

42. Public Health Investment Fund (Section 2002, p. 1214)

43. Scholarships for service in health professional needs areas (Section 2211, p. 1224)

44. Program for training medical residents in community-based settings (Section 2214, p. 1236)

45. Grant program for training in dentistry programs (Section 2215, p. 1240)

46. Public Health Workforce Corps (Section 2231, p. 1253)

47. Public health workforce scholarship program (Section 2231, p. 1254)

48. Public health workforce loan forgiveness program (Section 2231, p. 1258)

49. Grant program for innovations in interdisciplinary care (Section 2252, p. 1272)

50. Advisory Committee on Health Workforce Evaluation and Assessment (Section 2261, p. 1275)

51. Prevention and Wellness Trust (Section 2301, p. 1286)

52. Clinical Prevention Stakeholders Board (Section 2301, p. 1295)

53. Community Prevention Stakeholders Board (Section 2301, p. 1301)

54. Grant program for community prevention and wellness research (Section 2301, p. 1305)

55. Grant program for research and demonstration projects related to wellness incentives (Section 2301, p. 1305)

56. Grant program for community prevention and wellness services (Section 2301, p. 1308)

57. Grant program for public health infrastructure (Section 2301, p. 1313)

58. Center for Quality Improvement (Section 2401, p. 1322)

59. Assistant Secretary for Health Information (Section 2402, p. 1330)

60. Grant program to support the operation of school-based health clinics (Section 2511, p. 1352)

61. Grant program for nurse-managed health centers (Section 2512, p. 1361)

62. Grants for labor-management programs for nursing training (Section 2521, p. 1372)

63. Grant program for interdisciplinary mental and behavioral health training (Section 2522, p. 1382)

64. “No Child Left Unimmunized Against Influenza” demonstration grant program (Section 2524, p. 1391)

65. Healthy Teen Initiative grant program regarding teen pregnancy (Section 2526, p. 1398)

66. Grant program for interdisciplinary training, education, and services for individuals with autism (Section 2527(a), p. 1402)

67. University centers for excellence in developmental disabilities education (Section 2527(b), p. 1410)

68. Grant program to implement medication therapy management services (Section 2528, p. 1412)

69. Grant program to promote positive health behaviors in underserved communities (Section 2530, p. 1422)


reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 09:44 AM by Anti-Evil
70. Grant program for State alternative medical liability laws (Section 2531, p. 1431)

71. Grant program to develop infant mortality programs (Section 2532, p. 1433)

72. Grant program to prepare secondary school students for careers in health professions (Section 2533, p. 1437)

73. Grant program for community-based collaborative care (Section 2534, p. 1440)

74. Grant program for community-based overweight and obesity prevention (Section 2535, p. 1457)

75. Grant program for reducing the student-to-school nurse ratio in primary and secondary schools (Section 2536, p. 1462)

76. Demonstration project of grants to medical-legal partnerships (Section 2537, p. 1464)

77. Center for Emergency Care under the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (Section 2552, p. 1478)

78. Council for Emergency Care (Section 2552, p 1479)

79. Grant program to support demonstration programs that design and implement regionalized emergency care systems (Section 2553, p. 1480)

80. Grant program to assist veterans who wish to become emergency medical technicians upon discharge (Section 2554, p. 1487)

81. Interagency Pain Research Coordinating Committee (Section 2562, p. 1494)

82. National Medical Device Registry (Section 2571, p. 1501)

83. CLASS Independence Fund (Section 2581, p. 1597)

84. CLASS Independence Fund Board of Trustees (Section 2581, p. 1598)

85. CLASS Independence Advisory Council (Section 2581, p. 1602)

86. Health and Human Services Coordinating Committee on Women’s Health (Section 2588, p. 1610)

87. National Women’s Health Information Center (Section 2588, p. 1611)

88. Centers for Disease Control Office of Women’s Health (Section 2588, p. 1614)

89. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality Office of Women’s Health and Gender-Based Research (Section 2588, p. 1617)

90. Health Resources and Services Administration Office of Women’s Health (Section 2588, p. 1618)

91. Food and Drug Administration Office of Women’s Health (Section 2588, p. 1621)

92. Personal Care Attendant Workforce Advisory Panel (Section 2589(a)(2), p. 1624)

93. Grant program for national health workforce online training (Section 2591, p. 1629)

94. Grant program to disseminate best practices on implementing health workforce investment programs (Section 2591, p. 1632)

95. Demonstration program for chronic shortages of health professionals (Section 3101, p. 1717)

96. Demonstration program for substance abuse counselor educational curricula (Section 3101, p. 1719)

97. Program of Indian community education on mental illness (Section 3101, p. 1722)

98. Intergovernmental Task Force on Indian environmental and nuclear hazards (Section 3101, p. 1754)

99. Office of Indian Men’s Health (Section 3101, p. 1765)

100. Indian Health facilities appropriation advisory board (Section 3101, p. 1774)

101. Indian Health facilities needs assessment workgroup (Section 3101, p. 1775)

102. Indian Health Service tribal facilities joint venture demonstration projects (Section 3101, p. 1809)

103. Urban youth treatment center demonstration project (Section 3101, p. 1873)

104. Grants to Urban Indian Organizations for diabetes prevention (Section 3101, p. 1874)

105. Grants to Urban Indian Organizations for health IT adoption (Section 3101, p. 1877)

106. Mental health technician training program (Section 3101, p. 1898)

107. Indian youth telemental health demonstration project (Section 3101, p. 1909)

108. Program for treatment of child sexual abuse victims and perpetrators (Section 3101, p. 1925)

109. Program for treatment of domestic violence and sexual abuse (Section 3101, p. 1927)

110. Native American Health and Wellness Foundation (Section 3103, p. 1966)

111. Committee for the Establishment of the Native American Health and Wellness Foundation (Section 3103, p. 1968)


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 09:40 AM by Snarf
how about next time you post a link to your source?

Copy/Pasting plagiarism. wow...


anyways - what else do you expect government to do?

This is what government does. It creates things to protect the people. Well, one person can't do it all....do you actually expect Pelosi to single-handedly handle all the paperwork for all 300+ million Americans by herself?


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 09:55 AM by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by Snarf


I know what I expect. I expect the government to stay the hell out of my life and accept that I will make my own damn decisions about my health care and if by some chance they manage to pass legislation that expands the scope of their jurisdiction, I sure as hell don't want to hear how important their over bloated bureaucracies are! I have, what I believe, is a basic and simple request of the government; Mind your own business and do it as cost effectively as possible.


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 10:00 AM by Snarf
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by Snarf


. I expect the government to stay the hell out of my life and accept that I will make my own damn decisions about my health care


and you still can

they are still letting you choose private insurance companies if you CAN afford them.

They're just offering another OPTION to those tens of millions of Americans who CANNOT afford them.

its funny to me how many people fall for the right wing propaganda.


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 10:11 AM by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Originally posted by Snarf
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by Snarf


. I expect the government to stay the hell out of my life and accept that I will make my own damn decisions about my health care


and you still can

they are still letting you choose private insurance companies if you CAN afford them.

They're just offering another OPTION to those tens of millions of Americans who CANNOT afford them.

its funny to me how many people fall for the right wing propaganda.



Take note of your own language. "Letting (me) choose"? Are they allowing me to choose, is that the magnanimous nature of this government that they let me choose "private insurance companies if (I) CAN afford them"? What if I choose none of the above? What if I say I will pay cash for my medical services and leave it at that? Will this benign and ever so majestic government let me do that? How glorious it is to be free and to have a government that let's me be so. Or, perhaps I have just fallen prey to more right wing propaganda and you didn't really say what you said and instead meant something else. Either way, I am not interested in hearing the left wing propaganda on how important bloated bureaucracies are to justify the costs of legislative power grabs.



reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 10:22 AM by Snarf
reply to post by lpowell0627


Personally - i think being able to call a doctor and say "it hurts here" would be great.

Do i think they need to make all diagnosis over the phone? Absolutely not.

But try to leave sensationalism out of it, and realize that, in the same way suicide hot lines correlate to expensive counselors, not everyone can afford to go to pay a doctor every time they have a sore shoulder.


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 10:24 AM by lpowell0627
Originally posted by Snarf
reply to post by lpowell0627


Personally - i think being able to call a doctor and say "it hurts here" would be great.

Do i think they need to make all diagnosis over the phone? Absolutely not.

But try to leave sensationalism out of it, and realize that, in the same way suicide hot lines correlate to expensive counselors, not everyone can afford to go to pay a doctor every time they have a sore shoulder.


Sure that sounds great. For all of the law-abiding, actually sick people. Now...let's take a look at prescription pill abusers, insurance fraud.....

You know -- all of the things that contribute to the escalating costs of healthcare.

PS - I wasn't adding sensationalism -- I was joking. Now I'm not.


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 10:25 AM by Snarf
reply to post by lpowell0627


this is now a business that the government will own and profit from


I realize this.

The DMV is another government business that makes money. Why not protest its existence?

The post office makes the government money (it may be hurting right now...but think of how long it has been around) Why not protest its existence?

If it's a government program and you pay into it - it's making the government some money.

I'm okay with that. Why?

Because i enjoy roads, i enjoy interstate signs, i enjoy rest stops and National Parks.

What i wouldn't enjoy is if some private fancy suit, cigar puffing, rich butt hole owned those things and told me i would not be allowed to visit them unless i had good credit.


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 10:28 AM by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Originally posted by Snarf
"Letting (me) choose"? Are they allowing me to choose, is that the magnanimous nature of this government that they let me choose "private insurance companies if (I) CAN afford them"?


No, they're simply not taking that choice away. (as you have claimed) It will remain as it has all of these years, but the rest of America, who can't afford to pay ridiculous costs for health insurance, will now have the option of going to the doctor and not having to pay $900 for a blood test. Regardless of how you choose to spin it.

Your options aren't getting reduced. It's not affecting you, personally, in any way. If insurance companies are worried that it'll pull some customers away from them, then perhaps they should consider cheaper rates, better coverage, and not turning down someone when they get sick.

[edit on 20-11-2009 by Snarf]


More left wing propaganda. I never made the claim that you are erroneously attributing to me. I simply stated that I expect the government to stay out of my life and accept that I will make my own damn decisions regarding my health care. I further stated that I want the government to mind their own damn business and do it as cost effectively as possible and your defense of their bloated bureaucracies is not what would be considered cost effective. As to your assertion that the rest of America will now have the option of going to the doctor and not being forced to pay $900 dollars for a blood test...well, isn't it funny how people fall for that left wing propaganda?

Finally, I could care less what thieving insurance companies who have managed to accelerate the cost of health care while simultaneously accelerating its decline want and made no arguments for or against private insurance. This is just more of that left wing obfuscation and has nothing at all to do with what I said.


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 10:32 AM by Snarf
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


I simply stated that I expect the government to stay out of my life and accept that I will make my own damn decisions regarding my health care. I


They are staying out of your life to the extent that they're not telling you which company to choose. They're not telling you which coverage to choose. They're not making decisions for you.

So, like i said, you're lying about things that the UHC will do.

Its not left wing propaganda. It's just cold hard truth.


Finally, I could care less what thieving insurance companies who have managed to accelerate the cost of health care while simultaneously accelerating its decline want and made no arguments for or against private insurance.


You could care less about what? You described the thing you care less about, but you didnt describe what they do exactly.

I assume you mean you don't give a rip about what happens to them.

Well...neither do i. I care about being able to take myself or my wife to the doctor.

I care that, in the unfortunate event, you were in a bad car accident, that you were able to get the care you needed to live on to keep saying incorrect things on web boards.

i also care that if you were to get that treatment, that it would not ruin your life by putting you $30,000 in debt to a company that will call you every day threatening to sue you and yoru family if you don't pay up.

I care if some insurance company turns down a long time paying customer simply because that person has a new illness that falls in the cracks.

People buy health insurance so that *IF* they get sick, they can afford to get better. But health insurance companies find any way they can to get out of paying it.


If all of that is propaganda ... then have at it buddy.

But those things i said "i care about" are true.

If you've never had to endure medical collections, im glad for you. And hope you never do.

[edit on 20-11-2009 by Snarf]


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 10:35 AM by groingrinder
reply to post by Snarf


How about this option. They actually make health care affordable so anyone can pay for it out of their own pocket instead of paying a lifetime to the government or insurance companies.


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 10:38 AM by Snarf
reply to post by groingrinder


How about this option. They actually make health care affordable so anyone can pay for it out of their own pocket instead of paying a lifetime to the government or insurance companies.

i would like that as well, except that the same people speaking out against UHC now, would come along and say that by doing so, you'd be stealing money from doctors.

im willing to admit that i want UHC. I dont care what the cost to taxpayers is. I really don't.

If it eats up our tax dollars so much that we can't afford to go to war any more.

Good.

There's always money for war. But never money to make American lives better.

Spend money on Americans. Not Afghanis, Iraqis, Africans, and Chinese.
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