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posted on May, 20 2004 @ 08:33 AM
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I can hardly wait, Dan Brown's next insightful tome will reveal the Freemason's with all the clarity and rock solid resources that were hallmark of his bestseller "The Da Vinci Code". Will this cause a large scale public debate on the presence of secret societies? Will the Freemason's come out swinging as did the Catholic Church? Stay tuned to ATS for answers to this and more...

"He (Dan Brown) said the new book, set in Washington, D.C., would focus on the Free and Accepted Masons, a secretive fraternal organization. He said the architecture in Washington is soaked in symbolism and plays a major role in the novel. He also said the dust jacket of "The Da Vinci Code" contains a code that reveals information about the sequel."

Now let's break out our decoder ring and see if we can't crack that code.




[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Mirthful Me]




posted on May, 20 2004 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
with all the clarity and rock solid resources that were hallmark of his bestseller "The Da Vinci Code


With all due respect, 'The Da Vinci Code', whilst an excellent piece of fiction, has got more holes in it than a slice of emmental. Books have even been published exposing the shoddy research of many of Brown's claims:

www.literaturehistoryhub.com...

B



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 08:52 AM
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benjj, you are probably unfamiliar with my posts because I limit myself to this realm (secret societies) of topics; the quote was made in, shall we say... jest?



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 09:02 AM
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In which case I apologise unreservedly! I'm not familiar with your posts yet, though you sound like my kind of guy!

Don't get me wrong, I read and thoroughly enjoyed The Da Vinci Code (as well as Deception Point and Angels & Demons), but they are rather, well, fantastical. Hat's off to Brown though, bringing things like this to the fore-front of the best sellers lists is a good thing. Lets just hope he get's his facts straight about the Craft though, I guess time will tell!

B



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 11:32 AM
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posted on this yestarday... see link


www.abovetopsecret.com...

I have not read the book yet, but am planning on it.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by benjj
Lets just hope he get's his facts straight about the Craft though, I guess time will tell!

B


This is of concern throughout the Craft, if Mr. Brown would present his works as fiction steeped in a little fact (and nothing more) I think he would be received a little better. He seems to have grasped on the public's craving for sensationalism, and accomplishes this by "researching" his way through a potential hot topic integrating it into a work of fiction and then portraying it as a solvable puzzle. This puzzle answer is the "secret" knowledge that he has cleverly hidden in his novel; a "secret" that can only be obtained by those that can solve his self devised code.

They noticed



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 12:08 PM
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Hmmm... apparently we're "the enigmatic brotherhood of the Masons" now. I do so adore being "enigmatic!" It beats the heck out of being "weird."



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by AlexKennedy
Hmmm... apparently we're "the enigmatic brotherhood of the Masons" now. I do so adore being "enigmatic!" It beats the heck out of being "weird."


You get more chicks when you're enigmatic AK, weird only works when you're young.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 12:33 PM
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I completed both of the "Webquests" on the Da Vinci sites. Neither of them gave any significant information about what the book would be about except the fact it would be about Freemasons.

The codes are remarkable simple if you experience with that sort of thing.



posted on May, 20 2004 @ 04:01 PM
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el_topo, you are most correct, the websites don't reveal much about this book, it hasn't gone to print. The question is how a mass appeal conspiracy theorist "revelations" will impact the Freemasons, and how they will react, and if such publicity will heighten Masonic awareness. After all Mark Cuban (owner of the Dallas Mavericks) said that Kobe Bryant's legal issues would help the NBA. Any Pub, is good Pub.

Mark Cuban's Remarks



posted on May, 22 2004 @ 10:54 PM
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i myself think alot of it is credible information. if it wasnt credible information youd see many other novels that talk about the same things. the brotherhood, masons, secret societies. i think there arent taht many out there because this one pretty much covers most of what can be out there.



posted on May, 23 2004 @ 12:12 AM
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Now, I figure I might as well throw this out on the table...

What about the idea that Dan Brown is some sort of "front" for all of these secret societies? It would be an excellent strategic manuver to comission a writer as a "front" for the Illuminati or other 'secret society' in order to disseminate any [dis]information regarding such groups.

Is Dan Brown doing this?
I have no idea...but it seems like a remarkably good idea. There's clearly public interest in the subjects at hand, otherwise his works wouldn't have risen to such high ranks on the charts. It seems like an excellent vessel by which to seed ideas in people's minds without ever really telling them any "information."

...Just a thought

PS - I've read "Angels and Demons" and "Deception Point"....both were good, and rather conspiratorial...Deception Point mentions a lot about Delta Force, which I'm interested in finding more out on.



posted on May, 23 2004 @ 01:41 AM
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I liked the Da Vinci Code. I thought Dan Brown did a bit of reaching with the fiction part, but he must have hit a few "Truth" buttons, because the Catholic Church had a real knee-jerk reaction.



posted on May, 26 2004 @ 08:18 PM
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LSG, no doubt to the appeal of D. Brown's work, but the "kneejerk" comes from fiction being presented as fact. My question is how will Freemasonry respond to his expected attack...Errr... book.



posted on May, 27 2004 @ 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me
LSG, no doubt to the appeal of D. Brown's work, but the "kneejerk" comes from fiction being presented as fact. My question is how will Freemasonry respond to his expected attack...Errr... book.


My guess like every other book, we will not say anything. Rightfully so, but I am sure tons of conspiracies will start from it.. I cannot wait..... I just want to know how to join the conspiracy... How about we start one? The ATS Reptilian Order of the Freemasony. Our goal will be to devote our lives in secret to the coordination of the Reptilian Armies...... Little Yoda, My Master (he is a gekko btw) has deemed this a necessary need.... Fan out brothers and bring in the flock!



posted on May, 27 2004 @ 02:33 AM
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JCmin....are you feeling ok?
(Goddess checks his pulse and gets out a HUGE thermomitor)

Let me Email you a couple of asprins and you should get a good nights sleep, and then post again in the morning with a clearer head.........I am worried about you my cloudy headed friend



posted on May, 27 2004 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by JCMinJapan
[My guess like every other book, we will not say anything. brothers and


I tend to disagree JCM, the open participation of Masons in this ATS forum speaks volumes to the change in attitude. The ferocity in which ML, AK, L, K, yourself, and I have refuted the baseless claims of the misinformed (take that as a compliment MN, TSTB, TBIHL, et al) indicates that the "turn the other cheek" mindset is no longer the response of choice. It will be interesting.



posted on May, 28 2004 @ 07:53 PM
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no doubt to the appeal of D. Brown's work, but the "kneejerk" comes from fiction being presented as fact.


Well yes and no. If the presentation of fiction being written as fact in a book was it (which all creative writers are taught to do), then why wouldn't the church come out hard on almost every fictional book. You don't think they would have a problem with "Harry Potter"? It talks as if the wizardary and witch craft is fact.

The fact that most of Dan Brown's claims do have basis in fact. The papers found about PoS, the mystery of the Grail, and the ploy of Consontine. All of which have been discussed and studied for a very long time. My stepfather spent 4 years in the seminary, when we discused the book, he told me they were studing and debating all of those points back in the 60's. Some of those points, and wanting a family of his own, are what led him to leave the seminary and not become a priest.

While most of Dan Brown's points do have some basis as fact, they can not be totally proven. Nor has the church been able to disprove them. And when it comes to the church, which is called upon to prove itself all the time, it is not a position they want to be in because of a writer of a fiction novel.

*EDIT*
Also most of the "knee-jerk" reaction was from people that don't know their religion, and didn't know these topics have been raised for sometime now.

And those books the disprove Dan Brown's FICTIONAL book, are no more solid in fact.

I'll stop there, cause we can debate this all day, with facts, what we say is fiction, so on....

To me, the biggest thing that seals the deal.....

Dan Brown wrote the book, and all of his books as FICTION. Not text books.

I do hope he represent the Masons fairly, however that may be, but then again after "From Hell", I can see why the Freemanson's distrust that they will be represented fairly.

[Edited on 28-5-2004 by Darktalon]



posted on May, 28 2004 @ 08:24 PM
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Talk about conicidence. I'm actually reading the DaVinci Code at the moment.
I have to admit that there is quite a bit in there regarding the religion aspect that I do agree with. I actually thought he had copied my theories for a moment.

But the problem comes when you get to the fiction part and you have to realise that it is fiction - the line isn't always clear because you get carried away with what came before. I must also add that, although an interesting read so far, I do find it to be a bit "trashy" and therefore the fictitous stuff is pretty easy to spot.

As for the comment about the PoS documents. There is no proof that these documents are genuine. If you remember, the authors of HBHG thought that they had genuine Priory documents until it was pointed out to them that they were forgeries.

As for any later Dan Brown book? I honestly don't believe it's going to be that hard to expose any fabrications within it. His writing isn't too complex (as I said trashy) and although he is going to hit a big market after the success of his last novel, it might even be a good chance for of us to set the record straight on some subjects.



posted on May, 28 2004 @ 08:44 PM
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Leveller, I agree about Dan Brown, don't be surprised that "The Code" follows the same steps as the Di Vinci Code. He is good at piecing things together and making them something that may or maynot be there. But is not a good writer, imo. I just like the topics.

As far as PoS documents, I'm not going off the stuff from HBHG, here are texts about PoS, or are believed to be.

-Henri Boudet, Le Vraie Langue Celtique et le Cromlech de Rennes-les-Baines
-Philippe de Cherisey, Circuit. (a 1968 fictional novel).
-"Henri Lobineau," Les Dossiers Secretes.
-Eugene Stublein, "Pierres gravees du Languedoc" (it is thought that Stublein never wrote this in 1884 - it contains the Marie de Negre tomb inscription)
-Gaston de Koker, Pierre Feugere, and Louis Saint-Maxent, Le Serpent Rouge
-Jean DeLaude, Le Cercle D'Ulysee
-Antoine L'Ermite, Un Tresor Merovingian a Rennes-les-Chateau
-Pierre Jarnac, Melanges Sulfureux

Brown does do a good job of mixing into the equation phycology. Which the church doesn't want aswell. Why didn't anyone make a big deal about Jesus not having a wife? Since that was extremaly odd for his times, and was a fathers job to do for his son. Why doesn't the bible have anything Jesus wrote, since they do have evidance that, from other writings, that he did write his teachings and cermons down? Someone had to choose what went into the bible, and your telling me Constuntine, ruler of the Roman Empire, became humble and didn't forge the church to serve any purpose of his own?



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